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<p dir="ltr">Sean<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 31, 2014 3:45:00 PM PST, ""Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<font face="Courier New" size="2">B.D.Sacharaow, <br />A.W.Sytin,
<br />A.P.Jurnew<br /><br />"Havarien unter Wasser </font> " (The german
copy)
<br /><br />Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus 1991, Brerlin,
Germany<br />ISBN 3-327-01220-2<br /><br /> the orginal in in russian
languages
1986<br /><br />dont know if a english copy exist.<br />May search for the 3
autors.
<br /><br />Contains havaries of 1964 - 1980<br />Nekton Beta, Johnson
Sea link,
Yuzuki, Moana, Trieste II, <br />Asherah, Denise, Aluminaut, Alvin, Star
III, Deep
Diver, Deep Star 4000, <br />Shelf Diver, Deep Quest, Sea Cliff, Ben
Franklin,
Guppy. <br />Cyana, Yomuri, Pisces III, TS1(PC-9), PC 1602<br /><br />vbr
Carsten<br />
<br />"Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> schrieb:
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<p dir="ltr">Carsten, what is the title of that book?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sean<br />
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<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On December 31, 2014 3:26:00 AM PST,
""Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
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<font face="Courier New" size="2">Brian, <br /><br />we have each two cardridge
in the exchange filters for the mask.<br /></font>One is unse in case of
fire
against smoke or in case of battery clorine or other gases.<br />And the
other
cardridge we customize to absorb CO2 in case main LSS filter didnt work
anymore.<br />They are military surplus from Finland and came brandnew
for
just
some bucks. <br /><br />During building I have a fire in a bed madraze
becuase of
weölding close by. <br />The smoke fill the compartmnet in seconds with
no
view
anymore and nearly unbreathable atmosphere. <br /><br />But we have also a
scuba
automat lifeline system on 6 station on board in case of fire or out of
oxygen
situation. <br />And mobile fire extingusher and a high fog mist fire
fighting
system in each compartment. <br /><br />Also Steinke Hoods, diver suits,
diver scuba
equipment, 1 liferaft, 1 inflate rubber boat,<br />3x 1ts drop weights,
Emergency
oxygen bottles for weeks, emergency CO2 filters (we double it - 4 in
total)
<br />Last but not least a first aid set from a car. And most inportant
a
complet
workshop in the engine room. <br />The diver exist room can be use
as
rescue
chamber wit a mirror of all systems for air, oxygen, filters on its
own.
<br /><br />On the future plan are a complete set from a Ambulance
car
including defilibrator, oxygen inhalator, medicine etc. <br />We get
older
and on
real offshore operation we are maybe far awawy from other ships and
pepole and
have to fix our problems ourself.. <br /><br />I have a book abouit
emergency
situations on civil submarine from russia. <br />There major accident
clear to
identfy: <br />- Fire on board, <br />- boat catch on the bottom <br />-
diving
with open hatch or launching accident. <br /><br />Deep charges or
torpedos seems not an issue for privat submarines - so we not have
equipment to
prevent that.. <br /><font size="2">(I write this line so I can be sure that
this
email will be stored in a mountain in Montana for ever..)</font>
<br /><br /><font size="2">There are many old submariners and there are
many brave
submariners.
<br />But there are not so much old and brave submariners.. <br />(Okay I
steal this
from the pilots..)</font> <br /><br />vbr Carsten
<br />
<br />"Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> schrieb:
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
sans-serif"><div>Carsten, What to you use the gas masks
for?</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br /><br />---
personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<br /><br />From: "Carsten Standfuß"
via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br />To:
"Personal Submersibles General Discussion"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br />Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST]
model testing<br />Date: 30 Dec 2014 19:08 GMT<br /><br /><font face="Courier
New" size="2">If the
scale factor is 1:1 it shall
work.. :-0<br /></font><br /> vbr Carsten<br /><br />"hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
schrieb:<br />> <br />> I am not looking for drag comparisons, I am
looking for failure due to pressure comparisons. I though I read that
the Nekton subs were built as a model first to establish crush
depth.<br />> Hank
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On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:<br />> <br />> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br />> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br />>
Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM<br />> <br />>
Drag<br />> results between a model and full scale does not
scale<br />> geometrically. You have to scale model and full
scale off<br />> the dimensionless Reynolds number.
Reynolds number<br />> scaling enables you to scale results between
model and full<br />> scale using either a water tunnel or
air<br />>
tunnel.<br />> Cliff<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />>
From: Alan James via<br />> Personal_Submersibles<br />> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br />>
<br />> To: Personal<br />> Submersibles General
Discussion<br />>
<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
<br />> <br />> Sent: Monday,<br />> December 29, 2014 1:55
PM<br />> Subject: Re:<br />> [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br />>
<br />> <br />> Hank,I just ran<br />> a test on my pressure
program & you get the same crush<br />> depthon a<br />> sphere
of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm<br />> thick as
youdo on a<br />> sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm thick.What I
am<br />> not sure of is if you can scale up the drag results on
a<br />> model.If you<br />> have a scale model that is 1/50th
&
it takes X amount of<br />> force to push<br />> it at
3<br />> knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the required<br />>
thrust?Alan<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> From: Brian
Cox via<br />> Personal_Submersibles<br />> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br />>
<br />> To: Personal<br />> Submersibles General
Discussion<br />>
<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
<br />> <br />> Sent: Tuesday,<br />> December 30, 2014 8:43
AM<br />> Subject: Re:<br />> [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br />>
<br />> <br />> Hank,<br />> I would
say<br />> no. It would have to be so exact that it would
be<br />> virtually impossible to extrapolate from the small
model,<br />> and<br />> aside from that I think there are other
engineering<br />> principles involved that would come into play ,
Sean would<br />> be the person to ask ! I know that it is
done
in wave<br />> tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you are looking
at<br />> laminar flow and such things, not structural strength
so<br />> much. You might be able to get a rough idea of how
it<br />> would start to collapse maybe. The larger the model
the<br />> better I would think.<br />> <br />> Brian<br />>
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wrote:<br />> <br />> From: hank pronk via<br />>
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To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br />>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br />> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014
10:52:46 -<a>0800</a><br />> <br />> Hi
all<br />> If you<br />> make a scale model of a submarine in
complete detail. <br />> Scale the size and metal thickness, is
it a reasonable<br />> representation of depth capabilities when
pressure<br />> tested?<br />> Hank<br />>
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