<html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">No reason for a PSub not to be as visible as possible. As for colour, I found a relevant study:</span><br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">http://www.worksafebc.com/contact_us/research/funding_decisions/assets/pdf/2009/RS2009_IG30.pdf</span><br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Fluorescent green above the waterline, flat black below?</span><br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Sean</span></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br><b>To: </b>"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:31:58 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Submarine hunt in Sweden<br><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Traditionally I suppose civilian subs have been painted in bright colors just for visibility. But in today's world, particularly in the US, I think the bright colors are just as important for conveying the message that you are not trying to hide. I've taken Snoopy to Florida twice, and both times the Coast Guard or Police were circling me within minutes our first time out. Once in a helicopter, the other time with a boat. They circled a few times to take a look and then left us alone for the rest of our stay in the area. Its pure speculation, but I really feel that if Snoopy were painted in black, gray, or camouflage, they would probably have wanted to come aboard for a closer look, and with a K-250's freeboard that would be really problematic if not impossible in open water, so it would have required a trip back to the boat ramp and spoiled a day's diving. <div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It was not me.. The Dutch silent service usually do exercises near Scotland<br>
and they are seldom lost..<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXgjl-sR2A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXgjl-sR2A</a><br>
It is a advantage to have a sub in any other colour than flat black or<br>
grey.. They look like a military sub even how small they are.<br>
<br>
Regards, Emile<br>
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Namens Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles<br>
Verzonden: maandag 20 oktober 2014 23:42<br>
Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br>
Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Submarine hunt in Sweden<br>
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I read the Swedes think it's Russian and the Russians say "You better ask<br>
the Dutch". Anybody know of a Dutchman with submarine ?<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
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On Mon, 10/20/14, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br>
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Submarine hunt in Sweden<br>
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Date: Monday, October 20, 2014, 4:01 PM<br>
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<br>
My<br>
favorite sound is an old fishing trawler<br>
Hank--------------------------------------------<br>
On Mon, 10/20/14, Carsten Standfuß " via<br>
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[PSUBS-MAILIST] Submarine hunt in Sweden<br>
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6.0Was<br>
the other one blue<br>
with yellow<br>
stripes and makes sound like a<br>
old fishing trawler?<br>
;-) <br>
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"Lasse Schmidt via<br>
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schrieb:<br>
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That is correct<br>
Allan, it's very exciting,<br>
<br>
Lasse<br>
SchmidtUpplevelseakuten<br>
ABSkeppsbron 21,<br>
Tullhus<br>
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111130 StockholmTelefon växel: 08-660<br>
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20 okt 2014<br>
kl. 20:43 skrev<br>
"Alan James via<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Lasse,great<br>
media coverage you are getting<br>
there.I<br>
ran Google<br>
<br>
translate, but it wasn't perfect.From<br>
<br>
what I can understand there was a military type<br>
submarine sighted & itwas<br>
<br>
being confused with your submarine. Is that<br>
<br>
correct?Cheers<br>
Alan<br>
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From: Lasse<br>
Schmidt<br>
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October 21, 2014 3:20 AM<br>
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Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Submarine hunt<br>
in<br>
Sweden<br>
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<br>
As a few of you might have noticed,<br>
that we have some submarine issues in Sweden<br>
right now.<br>
Our submarine<br>
<br>
and myself got quite a lot of attention in the media<br>
because<br>
of this,<br>
mostly<br>
denying that it was us that were visible a certain<br>
day.<br>
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<a href="http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/nyheter/sverige/familj-filmade-ubat-i-skargarde
n-under-helgen_4026049.svd" target="_blank">http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/nyheter/sverige/familj-filmade-ubat-i-skargarde<br>
n-under-helgen_4026049.svd</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19715914.ab" target="_blank">http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19715914.ab</a><br>
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<br>
<a href="http://www.mvt.se/nyheter/ubatskapten-inte-vi-bakom-krankning-10274389.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.mvt.se/nyheter/ubatskapten-inte-vi-bakom-krankning-10274389.aspx</a><br>
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Lasse<br>
Schmidt<br>
Upplevelsepresent.se<br>
Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1<br>
<br>
11130 Stockholm<br>
070-28 32<br>
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660<br>
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