<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Cliff, David, & anyone else following this;</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>the cable on the 50 amp per pin 4 pin high power connector is 18.2 mm diameter & if we went with a</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">blueglobe cable gland on the motor end, it would have to be their M25 or M32. The M25 & M32 refers</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">to the thread on the end. </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">One problem is the bulkiness of the cable connectors. You would have to have the connections on the </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">2 or 4 wires staggered, so this may dictate the length of <span id="misspell-1" class=""><span>extension</span></span> tube connecting to the stub on the motor.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;">I doubt you would be able to pull the connectors + wires through the globe even on <span style="background-color: transparent;">the M32 version. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">To change motors in the <span id="misspell-1" class=""><span>Field</span></span> you would loosen the blue globe so the cable doesn't twist </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">& unscrew the </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">blue globe cable gland & pull the wiring out of the extension tube.
The barrel type wire connectors with grub screws I think </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">would be the <span style="background-color: transparent;">lowest profile & highest amp rating connector available. These would probably need to be </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">shrink wrapped over several times to get to G.L. insulation standards.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">If we went with a hull penetrator on one end of the cable & <span id="misspell-2" class=""><span>connector</span></span> on the other that could plug in </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">to a</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">connector on the motor, then changing motors would be easy, but if you wanted to route the wires through</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">anything then you would have to cut a 46.5mm hole for the connector to fit through, rather than an 18.2 mm</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family:
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">for the cable. Another thought was to add a T intersection in there some how, to recieve an air line.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class="yui_3_16_0_6_1406859486623_329">Alan</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:15 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1343920123"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div class="yiv1343920123" style=""><span class="yiv1343920123" style="">David & Cliff</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="yiv1343920123" style="">was thinking that if we used the 4 pin high power
connector,</span></div><div class="yiv1343920123" style="background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv1343920123" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1343920123" target="_blank" href="http://macartney.com/sites/default/files/brochures/SubConn_High_Power_4pins_0.pdf" style="">http://macartney.com/sites/default/files/brochures/SubConn_High_Power_4pins_0.pdf</a><br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">then the 2 spare pins could have a thermister on them measuring the motor temperature </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">as you were intending to do
David.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">The HPBH4M "male" fitting on the motor would mean you would have as Cliff suggested, the safety feature</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">in that if the male & female came apart the live end would be female
& wouldn't short on anything</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">(apart from water).</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">I am wondering if there is any off the shelf adapter we could use to screw this straight on to the motor wiring outlet.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Also is it feasable to attach bayonets or whatever to the pigtails (does it have pigtails) to fit them directly to the motor electrics.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px;
font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Can this be done while the motor is apart & then be put back together?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Any thoughts?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Cliff, are you intending to use the saltwater motor controller?</div><div class="yiv1343920123" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1343920123" target="_blank" href="http://www.minnkotamotors.com/advantage/saltwater.aspx?sectionID=3"
style="font-size:10pt;">http://www.minnkotamotors.com/advantage/saltwater.aspx?sectionID=3</a><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1343920123" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Alan</div><div class="yiv1343920123" style=""> </div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv1343920123yqt9049434627" id="yiv1343920123yqt43892"><div class="yiv1343920123" dir="ltr" style=""> <hr class="yiv1343920123" size="1" style=""> <font class="yiv1343920123" size="2" face="Arial" style=""> <b class="yiv1343920123" style=""><span class="yiv1343920123"
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""> <b class="yiv1343920123" style=""><span class="yiv1343920123" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""> <b class="yiv1343920123" style=""><span class="yiv1343920123" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:07 PM<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""> <b class="yiv1343920123" style=""><span class="yiv1343920123" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="yiv1343920123" style=""><br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style=""><div class="yiv1343920123" id="yiv1343920123" style=""><div class="yiv1343920123"
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Cliff, see my previous note to Alan. Forget the subconn site, go
through the Macartney site at<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1343920123" target="_blank" href="http://macartney.com/systems/infrastructure/subconn%C2%AE" style="">http://macartney.com/systems/infrastructure/subconn%C2%AE</a><br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
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SubConn does have a true 50amp per pin connector but it has four
pins with a max connector rating of 200 amps, model HPBH4. They
don't show a two pin model but maybe we should ask if they can
produce it for us.<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
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And for the classification discussion, they make a one pin monster
power connector rated for 250 amps.<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
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Jon<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
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On 7/29/2014 6:15 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br clear="none" class="yiv1343920123" style="">
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<div class="yiv1343920123" style="">Jon, this link seems to be broken at psub site.</div>
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<div class="yiv1343920123" style="">If you look at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1343920123" target="_blank" href="http://www.subconn.com/power-series-list-available-types" style="">http://www.subconn.com/power-series-list-available-types</a>,
I don't see a part number associated with a 50A version of
BHB2M. There is a 50A 4 pin model HPB4M but this has a larger
body and no option for 2 pin.</div>
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<div class="yiv1343920123" style=""> Lets assume Subconn has a Hi-Power version of BHB2M. For
the sake of argument, lets call it BHB2M* . If I understand
what the Subconn rep said, the BHB2M* connector overall rating
is 50A so if we connect to a MK-101 lower unit, and we run the
motor at max load, then we would see 46 A in teach wire /
pin. For non commercial personal applications I can live with
this as they have a big factor of safety but for those that
are trying to get their boat classed, this is not going to
work as classing agencies like ABS and Lloyds specify that
parts like these have to operate within vendor
specifications. They would need a connector rating of 100A,
i.e., 50A per pin if I am understanding this.</div>
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