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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Those Rotorque units look great and seem like the answer to my prayers but the power for 40 kg thrust appears a little high. However, Emile says that they outperform the previous thrusters so are they being over conservative??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What are the MK-101’s figures like compared with Emile’s thrusters. What do each actually draw current wise at full chat? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hugh<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 10:01 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since so many of us are using or planning on using MK-101s either air or oil compensated, it would be nice if we could move towards a standard connector. These thrusters are 36v with max current of 46 amps. The lower unit comes with two 10 AWG wires.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It would be nice if the connector was a male bulk head connector with two power pins and one alignment pin. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Could go with an off the shelf connector like an impulse HDBH-2-MP but these are expensive as rated for depth. In our case since we are pressure compensating this is overkill. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For those of you that have MK-101 or MK-80 thrusters, what type of connectors are you using?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Like Vance, I am planning to have a spare that could be swapped out in the field.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Cliff, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><a href="http://www.rotorque-jet.de/">http://www.rotorque-jet.de/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>best regards, Emile</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 27 juli 2014 23:21<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Air compensating thrusters</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Emile. Can you send link on Rotoque hubless thrusters ? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I was using 3 CSt. Viscisity silicone oil. Works but dissolves only silicone parts. The stern thruster , which is used for surface cruising, is air compensated. Works now fine . The plumping is done in a way that eventual water in the thruster is expelled trough the 2<sup>nd</sup> stage while ascending.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Now using side thrusters(for 80 operating hours) Rotoque hubless thrusters which doesn’t need compensation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Regards, Emile van Essen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Ps. For the Euro subbers; I have 2 new Rhino VX80 ( 24 VDC 38 Kgf) in surplus. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>They are dismantled and already provided with 18”bsp thread for air /oil compensation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>The can go for half new price . If someone interested, pleas contact offlist.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>Alec Smyth via Personal_Sub</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 27 juli 2014 16:17<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Air compensating thrusters</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes. It is extremely low viscosity and before using it, I left snips of the motor's cables in a little jar of it for some months to make sure the insulation was not affected.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Alec<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Alec, just for completeness, what oil do you use in your MK's? Is it marvel mystery oil?<br><br>Jon<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>On 7/26/2014 10:43 PM, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alan, honestly you're over-analyzing this one. I would summarize it thus; air and oil compensation both work just fine, pick either one.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've run Snoopy with both air and oil compensation, using the same motors. I could not tell the difference, either in power or even in sound. I do agree the motors must in theory lose some efficiency with oil, but it was not in the least noticeable to me. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Personally I prefer oil because the system has no moving parts and therefore in my book is simpler and more reliable, but again... both work just fine. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As for all the stuff about dissolving plastics and brushes, I finally overhauled the thrusters last year for the first time. All I had to do was change the seals and brushes, and I turned the commutator on the lathe because the copper had some wear. These parts had lasted a decade. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alec <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10161 (20140727) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div> <BR><BR>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10161 (20140727) __________<BR><BR>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<BR><BR><A HREF="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</A><BR> </body></html>