<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Sending this again Clif.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">I sent it off with the attachment & didn't receive it.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">Trying again without attachment.</span></div><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Hi Cliff,</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">I
sent an email off <span class="" id="yiv5540348246misspell-0" style="">inquiring</span> about the connectors, however it does say 25A for</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">the single contact rating, then connector rating two pins 25A; making a distinction</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">between pin & connector ratings.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">Another subconn connector I looked at doubled the amp rating for submerged use.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">I don't know why the one we are looking at doesn't give that option unless the </span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">connector material doesn't dissipate heat well. Maybe that question could be
asked.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">David Columbo bought 4 Minnkota controllers for his 101s. He said they were pretty</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">bulky units. They sound good though, and MK have all that <span class="" id="yiv5540348246misspell-3" style=""><span class="" style="">Field</span></span> experience.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">I am trying to build to G.L. standards & went in to a contract for technical advice.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">However they may annex me, as I told them I could fly to Germany from N.Z. & spend </span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">an hour <span style="background-color: transparent;" class="">with them & fly back again
for less than they charged in their first bill.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span style="background-color: transparent;" class="">Anyway I'm still going down that track so can't use the BHB2M even though it may</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span style="background-color: transparent;" class="">be safe. I found the problems that come with low volts & high amps on my ambient,</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span style="background-color: transparent;" class="">which has 12V motors.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span style="background-color: transparent;" class="">If you want to go cheap you could just use blue globe cable glands, as long as the </span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">wire is solid & round. Emile & Carsten use them & have one either side of
the </div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">through hull. Attached is a picture from inside the hull with wires going through blue</div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">globe cable glands. Not sure where the photo came from. I don't know whether Emile</div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">attaches the blue globes directly to his motors.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style=""></span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class="">Alan</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial"
class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:50 AM<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span
class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Alan, I am leaning towards using the Subconn BHB2M bulkhead fitting for my MK-101's even with the 25A limitation noted by vendor if we confirm 25A is the limit for both pins.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">My argument is that this is a general purpose wet matable bulkhead connector. Vendor has to protect itself from generally ignorant population that do stupid things. As such, I am sure they have conducted many worst case tests including 150-200% fully loaded of this 25A limit with the conductor in the air as apposed to submerged for days on end. </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">In my case, I plan on using the motor controller that MK supplies for 36V systems and the MK resettable circuit breaker they recommend for the 101 lower
units. MK
recommends in the paperwork that comes with the lower unit not to run in the air for more than 2 minutes. The MK motor controller is very nice. It works off a 0-5VDC potentiometer with a large deadband around 2.5V. This motor controller has a soft start built in so full on at 0 or 5 vdc causes the motor to ramp up over about 2 seconds or so. Like wise full reversal of potentiometer causes the motor to ramp down then ramp up. This soft start capability is designed to limit high initial current load that it would see if you just connect motor directly to battery bank. Also these controllers are potted.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">The second point that makes the BHB2M work for this application is that it is installed on the thruster so that if the thruster is submerged, and if a prop is installed, ambient water is cooling
both the motor and the connector. Also our duty cycle is
light.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Could you fail this connector by overheating. Yes, don't use circuit protection, don't use motor controllers with a soft start, run the motor in air for long periods of time. </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">As long as you use a bit of common sense, this connector which has 10 AWG pins which is the wire size recommended by the MK for their 101 lower unit, it should work just fine.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">If someone can identify the same basic bulkhead connector with say 8 AWG pins that does not cost $2000 per connector, we of course should look at this but I for one am comfortable that for my application this will work IF the cost is reasonable.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div
class="" style="">Cliff</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class=""> <div class="" id="yiv8490883624yqt43512" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;" class=""></div> <font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b
class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 28, 2014 4:13 PM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Cliff, </span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class=""
style="">you had to go all the way over there, what a long haul.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style=""> I am quoting this from advice I had years ago & I think it was from one of their reps.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">From what I remember, it was the combined heat from the 2 wires in the connector </span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">that was the determining factor.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">I will send them an email & post the results.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class="">Alan</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br clear="none"
class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div id="yiv8490883624yqt14694" class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;" class=""></div> <font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General
Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday,
July 28, 2014 7:48 PM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">We need some clarification on this. I am reading this as this connector will handle 25 amps per pin so with a FS 2 we are probably good.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">I have had no time to look at this as in Perth on business.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Cliff</div></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div id="yiv8490883624yqt88246" class=""
style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Hi Cliff,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">as I understand it the connector amp rating is 25 amps for the 2 pin unit.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">That means 12.5 amps per pin, which is about 1/4 of what you
want.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">Cheers Alan</span></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;" class=""></div> <font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Personal
Submersibles General
Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 28, 2014 6:51 PM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">I think there is a big factor of safety. You get
the same issue when you look at agency's specs on how much current a 10awg wire can handle. Having said that MK sells there lower units with 10 awg wire. US coast guard would have 6 awg for this current.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">This needs to be looked at but my guess is that this will handle it.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Cliff</div></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div id="yiv8490883624yqt30002" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class=""
style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Cliff,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">what about the max contact amp ratings on those connnectors?</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">I thought you said you needed something that could take 46 amps.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""><span class="" style="">Alan</span></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,;" class=""> <div dir="ltr"
class="" style=""> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;" class=""></div> <font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span
style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 28, 2014 4:20 PM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK-101 Connectors<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Jon, a BHB2M to me looks about right. 10AWG pins to match
the 10AWG for the MK-101.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">The port on the MK-101 is 1-1/8 x 18 So it would be easy to machine an adaptor to accept this 5/8-18 male BH fitting.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Can you get a price on these with the Psub discount?</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">There probably enough space to drill a 1/16 hole in this machined part and connect a 1/4" Swagelok fitting perpendicular to the axis to connect an air compensation connection if you did not want to drill and tap into body of MK-101.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class=""
style=""></div><div class="" style="">Cliff<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Cliff Redus</div></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div id="yiv8490883624yqt92166" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Jon
Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" class="" style="">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">
</div></blockquote></div></div><div id="yiv8490883624yqt15865" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">
Agreed, but we should take advantage of our SUBCONN discount if we
can. What about this one...<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.subconn.com/connectors/power-series/power-series-battery-2-contacts" class="" style="">http://www.subconn.com/connectors/power-series/power-series-battery-2-contacts</a><br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Jon<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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On 7/27/2014 6:00 PM, Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles
wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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</blockquote></div></div><div class="" style=""><div id="yiv8490883624yqt76989" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Since so many of us are using or planning on using MK-101s
either air or oil compensated, it would be nice if we could move
towards a standard connector. These thrusters are 36v with max
current of 46 amps. The lower unit comes with two 10 AWG wires.</div>
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<div class="" style="">It would be nice if the connector was a male bulk head
connector with two power pins and one alignment pin. </div>
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<div class="" style="">Could go with an off the shelf connector like an impulse
HDBH-2-MP but these are expensive as rated for depth. In our
case since we are pressure compensating this is overkill. </div>
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<div class="" style="">For those of you that have MK-101 or MK-80 thrusters, what
type of connectors are you using?</div>
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<div class="" style="">Like Vance, I am planning to have a spare that could be
swapped out in the field.</div>
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<div class="" style="">Cliff</div></div>
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