<p dir="ltr">Scott,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I sent you an email off list. Not sure if you received it or if you changed your email ( sent to email with @<a href="http://waters-ks.com">waters-ks.com</a>).</p>
<p dir="ltr">Might be beneficial to respond to the listserv as to what specific engineering design services you are looking for (drafting, FEA, electrical, controls, mass calculations, buoyancy calculations, etc).</p>
<p dir="ltr">-Chris</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 18, 2014 8:13 PM, "swaters via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>Douglas,</div><div>I will take all the help I can get. I have a feeling with a sub this difficult I will be asking for tons of help from alot of members.</div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm so pleased to hear that your business is booming Scott. Keep that iron hot, heavy and in the fire of America. As to your sub, I am very interested and hope you'll keep me posted. Perhaps we could work together? I am quite interested in diving deeper and feel there is a deep-diving vessel in my future as well. I am planning to go out and see what is going on at Sea-Magine one of these days. ~ Douglas S. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:19 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div><span>Scott,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>The reason I bought Gamma was not because I couldn't build a sub, I bought it because I can not design a sub. I paid for the engineering and got a sub with it.</span></div>
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<div><div> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:20:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dan,</div>
<div>On my first sub I spent about 2 years researching and learning before I ever pulled the trigger on starting a build on the K-350. My plan is similar on my next build for a deep diving sub which is to research untill I am 100% comfortable. I would like to start with a good design and finished prints and then take them to the engineer for reveiw. Enginers charge by the hour and are very expensive. I do this the same way when I am building my 40,000 square foot multi-million dollar stores where I have finished blue prints and store design done before I ever take it to the architect and my last store costs me $22,000 in architect fees. The first new store designI had done was $65,000. Hopefully that lays some insite in what I am doing. I am not going to be building something that is unsafe with unknown factors made from metal from a scrap yard and I am ok spending years researching and planning before I ever order the first part. I do apriciate you
making sure I am being safe because I know there are lots of psubbers in the past who have not been. </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Scott,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Please don't take this in negative way, and
understand that we have never meet. I don't know your skills, the skills
of your wife, or your end expectations. I congratulate you on
recognizing that you're not a good engineer, if in fact you aren't. Maybe
you're even better then you think you are. I don't know. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Don't underestimate the planning and work that
goes into in a sub. Building any sub is a big undertaking, much less
one for more then a few hundred feet of depth. Most of all, don't
look for cheap engineering. You most likely won't get what you don't pay
for. If you're looking for cheap engineering help the BEST you're
going to get is CHEAP engineering. That may be ok with a go
cart, but not with a sub. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Unless you're confident enough in your own
engineering skills to do your own design or even alter a pre-engineered design,
you really should have a certified engineer do the work. Basically it
means you're getting something the engineer is willing to stake his reputation
on. That SHOULD be good enough to put your life in. You still
may be playing with matches, but anything less, and your playing with
fire. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">It's a lot of work and thousands of man hours
building a sub. There are plenty of other places to make mistakes in a
build, and plenty other ways to get hurt in a sub. If you're going to
build, don't start out hoping you're doing it safe. Either have it
properly engineered or build a design that has been. That's why
so many take the less expensive and safe way of building a K
sub. The engineering has been properly done and it's stood the test
of time. Granted, it's engineered to older standards, but even
that's far better then cheap engineering. </font><font face="Arial"> </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Even refurbishing a sub isn't a small task if there
are structural issues.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Just my thoughts on the matter,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Dan H.</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled
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<div>For the K-250 that I was looking at buying I believe it would be cheaper
to build new rather than restore. Katy was looking for a sub to restore that
wouldn't be extremely expensive. If the right oprotunity comes up she'll do
it, otherwise she'll build a go cart and help me with my next project of a
deep diving sub.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div>What made you change your mind on the K-250 project? Are you
looking at designing your own sub?</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Huge,</div>
<div>I was just going off of what the blue prints said for a idea of what
that would cost and several members on psubs asked for me to share the
quote. I don't believe I will be doing the K-250 project anyway. </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Go
with 3/8” thick it doesn’t buckle as much as ¼” </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The
guys who welded my 5/16” said that it would have been half the time with
3/8”. That is why ABS says minimum 3/8” I
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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Best,
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<div>Hey guys,</div>
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<div>I got a quote back from Arntzen on a K-250
hull.</div>
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<div>The quote is to roll, tack seam, and reroll to round.
36"diameter and 48" long of 1/4" ASME 516 gr 70.</div>
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<div>They will do it for $575 and a 2 week lead
time.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Scott Waters</div>
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