<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Douglas,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>I agree that Lake Diver at 45K was a fair price, yet it did not sell as far as I know. I offered 25K for Lake diver a few years back. In my mind, an item is worth what ever the highest offer is. That Makes Lake Diver worth at least 25K</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div
style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:41:52 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2952043407"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Alec,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Thank you for having faith, yes, I was back spacing and lost a
zero. :-)</span></div> <div class="yiv2952043407qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2952043407yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class="yiv2952043407yqt6162176620" id="yiv2952043407yqt38634"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:33:11 AM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2952043407y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2952043407"><div><div dir="ltr">Ah, a plausible scenario Alec. </div><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2952043407yqt5930748978" id="yiv2952043407yqtfd49258"><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv2952043407gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">I suspect Hank just made a typo and dropped one zero, because about $25K for a K250 and $35K for a K350 would be normal prices. Otherwise, I'll be racing you Douglas in offering to buy all Hank's subs!<div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br clear="none">Alec</div></div><div class="yiv2952043407HOEnZb"><div class="yiv2952043407h5"><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv2952043407gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">Hank, I like you very much and don't want to offend you here, but I must argue your rule of $10 / foot of dive capability. That would make a K-250 $2500 base price and K-350 $3500 base price? That doesn't seem to factor in the labor of hull construction at all. I do understand the point that you and Carsten are making, but I feel this is a classic example of "selling" ourselves short. Even a humble K-boat should be treated as a specialized vessel. <div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>Now Lake Diver was listed for a long time at $145,000 which in my opinion was probably asking a bit too much, but when reduced to $45,000 I felt that was fair. Hank, if you have any K-boats that you want off your hands for the price of your rule, please let me know :) ~ Douglas S. </div>
</div><div><div><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2952043407gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:57 AM, "Carsten Standfuß " <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><font face="Courier New">Hi Scott the asking price for Peppers
just as exsample is just the material cost. </font> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">A
sub
like the blue one Arg.J. Without the engine and lead - I would not spend
more
than 1-2 K USD.<br clear="none">Fact is I would not spend even 1 USD. Its a beautiful
museums
item but not more. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">A ocean going full operational Diesel
Electric Psub
without class like Euronaut is something 4-5 Mill USD. <br clear="none">Same with
class -
just double the figure. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">A K boat rusty hull - or a rusty propane
tank
sub I would not purchase - its cheaper to build a new hull. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Many
prices
on the market are not realistic. The Seahorse was new some 25 Years ago
5 Mill
USd - and over <br clear="none">20 years for sale for 1,3. Nobody want it. now it is
0,13 and
still nobody want it.. Same with some toursit sub out of class. <br clear="none">This
large
sub - not functional, clss outdated and need a general overhauld are not
more
worth than just the scrapp metal price. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Mantis is pretty old
and
without class - I would puchase it - but not for 40K as request.
<br clear="none">Maybe 5 K is realistic. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Vance knows the story. Many
years ago I
inspect the Margennaut at Ft. Lauderdale. <br clear="none">Asking price was just 20K
USD not
bad for a 13m - 30 ts sub.<br clear="none">But I calculate tah trasnport, overhaul,
rebuild
to my requirements cos me another 130K. <br clear="none">On that days I decide to
build my
own sub. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">A second hand sub makes only sence if it in general
fullfill
your requirements list. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">vbr Carsten
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<br clear="none">"hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles"
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>That is a hard question to answer, I am sure many have
struggled with it.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>What can you compare it too, a muscle car? You can buy
beautifully restored muscle cars for a fraction of the cost to build
one. PSUB's also, are a labour of love, a toy, no
different than a boat or a car. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>All you can do is look at recent sales. Lake Diver, a
well proven sub did not sell for the asking price and was for sale for a
long time. I think he was asking 45K. I have no idea what the
status is on it now. A K350 sold at auction for under 20K If I
recall. I have my own formula, for a base price, 10
dollars per foot of dive capability. I think that number is about
right, for a functioning non certified PSUB. I
know some PSUB owners are saying "I would never sell for
that" but I think that is the reality. Only the chosen few
make money on a toy :-)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Hank</span></div>
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div><div>I know the price of a sub can vary greatly.
I am just curious what does a turn key K-350 and K-250 sell
for?</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott
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