<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Wow, that student version of Rhino is cheap. You could buy that</div><div>for now & get the Orca & scan & solve later on when you are profficient</div><div>with Rhino.</div><div>I bought all 3 programs through a local distributor.</div><div>Jay Jeffries, who used to be on Psubs, sells Rhino & Orca.</div><div>He is a Naval architect, marine engineer, marine surveyor, nuclear technician etc.</div><div>Someone may know his contact details. I lost contact.</div><div>They offer a free evaluation version on the site you linked to, but it won't mean a lot unless</div><div>you buy a good instruction series or go to tech.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 10/04/2014, at 1:13 am, <<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>I believe I can get a student license in these. My wife Katy (who does all the design work for me on the Plasma robot in our shop) is a college student, so that might help a lot.</div>
<div>Are these the right links to get the CADs?</div>
<div>Rhino 5: <a href="http://www.rhino3d.com/sales/north-america/United_States">http://www.rhino3d.com/sales/north-america/United_States</a></div>
<div>Scan&Solve <a href="http://www.intact-solutions.com/store/">http://www.intact-solutions.com/store/</a></div>
<div>Orca <a href="http://www.orca3d.com/Orca3dJ/index.php/buy">http://www.orca3d.com/Orca3dJ/index.php/buy</a></div>
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<div>I am still in my research phase of this project and will be in the design phase for a few years. I believe getting good at CAD is then next step for me along with research. </div>
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<div id="wmQuoteWrapper">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<br>From: Alan James <<a href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 3:55 am<br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><br>
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<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8"><span id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_18">Hi Scott,</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">G.L., Section 4, Design Loads, Table 4.1 says that for your designated depth, the collapse diving pressure divided by your nominal diving depth, has to be more than 1.73, & your test diving pressure has to be more than or equal to 1.2 x your nominal diving <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">pressure.</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">So for a maximum operating depth of 1000 meters, build to a crush depth of at least 1,730 meters & test to a minimum of 1200 meters. In table 4.2 it is a bit confusing, but I am reading it as saying the view ports are to</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">be tested to 1.5 x your nominal dive depth. </span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Re CAD programs; I bought Rhino 5, Orca, (which is a marine design plug-in for Rhino 5) & scan & solve.</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Scan & solve is a basic FEA plug-in for Rhino. I had advice from a qualified person in the submersible design</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">field before purchasing. You can get in the ball park with the Scan & Solve FEA & then hand the design on to a qualified </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">person with a more powerful program for refinement. I looked at Solid Works, but it was very complex</span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">& expensive & if you aren't going to use it 40 hours a week you are gong to struggle. </span></div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">It would be a really good move for you, buying a CAD program. </div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">I also purchased a course on Rhino from Infinite Skills & in hindsight think that was a smart thing to do.</div>
<div id="yiv7830697310yui_3_13_0_12_1397024420902_8" class="yui_3_13_0_1_1397038241605_2657" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All the best with the new project.</div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> swaters <<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>><br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:14 AM<br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<br clear="none"></font></div>
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<div>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability?</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 75%; COLOR: #575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div><br clear="none">Alan James <<a href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking.</div>
<div>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</div>
<div>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability.</div>
<div>3) Learn to use CAD </div>
<div>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</div>
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<div>1) Hold 3 people</div>
<div>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</div>
<div>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</div>
<div>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling</div>
<div>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front</div>
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<div>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering?</div>
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