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<DIV><FONT size=3>Regarding acrylic domes and flat ports, what effect does
calendar age and number of dive cycles have on life span especially for a deep
diver such as this? It seems that this as well as other overhaul
costs/schedule would need to be factored into the project. I've wondered
about the life span of the dome on Idabel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/9/2014 5:12:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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give up, talk to a submarine hull designer. Someone who does this for a
living, explore all the options.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:06:47 PM,
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<DIV>Ugg. Ok. That might kill that idea.</DIV>
<DIV>-Scott Waters </DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv2551663455wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR
clear=none>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR clear=none>From:
Daniel Lance Lance <<A title=mailto:lanceind@gmail.com
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<DIV dir=ltr>Scott,
<DIV> A 3300 fsw capable sub will more then likely require that the
pressure hull be fabricated from HY-80 or HY-100 . I can assure you that
working with either of these two alloys is not for the faint of heart or
wallet . I am sure Phil Nuytten can shed some light on this subject . Idabel
was built from parts scavenged from some well know subs. If memory serves me
correctly the acrylic dome and a HY-100 sphere came IUC's Beaver . The other
sphere came from one of the Perry boats .( Vance if I have this wrong please
set me straight ). If you get lucky and find some similar bargains you might
hit your budget of $100 to $200K . If you have to start from scratch I think
$1 to $2 million would not be unrealistic considering the learning curve you
will experience. The level of quality control required to work with HY type
alloys is something to behold . I am not saying it can't be done it's just
that you might make a serious dent in your inheritance .</DIV>
<DIV>Just my two cents,</DIV>
<DIV>Dan Lance</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv2551663455gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:07 PM, <SPAN
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<DIV>Thanks Carsten for the encouragement</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks Alan for all the CAD info</DIV>
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<DIV>-Scott Waters </DIV>
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<DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR clear=none>Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR clear=none></DIV>
<DIV>From: "Carsten Standfuß " <<A title=mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de
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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New">Scott thats excat the way to go. Big step
for a man - but not immpossible to reach.<BR clear=none><BR
clear=none><FONT size=1>"We are going to the moon, not because it is
easy, but because it is hard.."</FONT> </FONT> <BR clear=none><BR
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<DIV>The good thing is I have a very capable shop now days. With
every process of welding available, robotic plasma cutting and design
software, a 8,000 crain/lift, metal lathe, hydrolic ban saw with
coolant, and about every tool anyone could want, it makes life a lot
easier. When I started my K-350 back 5 years ago I was a kid with a
set of blue prints and a goal of one day having a submarine and that's
it. I didn't know anything about submarines besides they used
"ballast" to go up and down. I didn't know how to weld at all or even
knew what a metal lathe was. And the only tools I had was a small tool
bag with basic stuff my dad had given me from our family hardware
store as a graduation present. The reason I don't want to build a
1000' sub is it is not a big enough goal. I need something that is the
difficulty level of starting with nothing and no idea to a k-350. I
compare a k-350 to a 1000m (3300') sub with completely capable
manipulator and tooling with very advanced technology to be a similar
difficulty level and step. I also want to push the envelope for psubs
about what we are capable of. Combined we have so much knowledge that
if we all worked together, we could be producing ideas and
inventions right up there with the big dogs. Hope this helps with
everyone understanding my vision</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR clear=none>Subject: Re:
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<DIV>From: hank pronk <<A title=mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca
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<DIV><SPAN>You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and
what Scott wants to build. The two subs are totally
different. I could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if
you have your own pressure vessel fab shop.
(maybe) Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that
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do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can
not build a k3000. As a matter of fact with the proper budget
and realistic assessment of your abilities we can all do it.
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52
AM, James Frankland <<A title=mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com
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<DIV>Scott,</DIV>
<DIV>Have a look at this. As long as your a student of
something, somewhere, your ok. Join a local tiddlywinks class
or something.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is not too difficult to use.</DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>James</DIV>
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<DIV>On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out
professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the
gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't
know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on
weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative
ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic
costs my rough math seems to jive with the
$125,000. </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if
it is a professional build, and it has to be. If you do it
right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15
PM, Douglas Suhr <<A title=mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com
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<DIV dir=ltr>Wow! $125K for 2500 ' 3000 feet? That's some serious
dollar-to-fathom value! </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a
reality.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Scott, I have no experience with any large
pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the
thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long
it takes to set up the required tests (and perform
them).
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<DIV>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested,
1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to
go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine
or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does
anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~
Douglas S. </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <SPAN
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<DIV>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind
of pressure? </DIV>
<DIV>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at
designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does
psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever
would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off
of? </DIV>
<DIV>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to
increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and
affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator
arms and things.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest
research).</DIV>
<DIV>Vance<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from my
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<DIV>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to
1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a
pressure chamber that has 1670psi
capability?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV
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general people design their boats with a crush depth
of</SPAN></DIV>
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their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5
x</SPAN></DIV>
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proposed maximum operating depth.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
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design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250
meters.</SPAN></DIV>
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<BR clear=none><B><SPAN
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8, 2014 4:29 PM<BR clear=none><B><SPAN
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[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR
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<DIV>I am playing with the idea of building another
submarine. Here is what I am thinking.</DIV>
<DIV>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the
same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first
submarine</DIV>
<DIV>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350
to learn what needs to be improved on in design and
ability.</DIV>
<DIV>3) Learn to use CAD </DIV>
<DIV>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</DIV>
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<DIV>My initial goals are</DIV>
<DIV>1) Hold 3 people</DIV>
<DIV>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</DIV>
<DIV>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a
good manipulator arm and tooling</DIV>
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<DIV>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome
front</DIV>
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<DIV>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main
challenges to overcome? What complications am I not
considering?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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