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<div>Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something, somewhere, your ok. Join a local tiddlywinks class or something.</div>
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<div>This is not too difficult to use.</div>
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<div>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000. </div>
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<div><span>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is a professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet. </span></div>
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<div>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. </div>
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<div>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure? </div>
<div>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off of? </div>
<div>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.</div></div>
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<div>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability?</div></div>
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<div style='font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>in general people design their boats with a crush depth of</span></div>
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<div>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking.</div>
<div>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</div>
<div>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability.</div>
<div>3) Learn to use CAD </div>
<div>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</div>
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<div>1) Hold 3 people</div>
<div>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</div>
<div>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</div></div>
<div>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling</div>
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<div>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering?</div>
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