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<DIV><FONT size=3>The $125k was several years ago, don't remember just
when. In current dollars it would be somewhat higher.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/8/2014 9:43:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV><SPAN>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is a
professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can spend
that to do 1,000 feet. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM,
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<DIV dir=ltr>Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious
dollar-to-fathom value! </DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv5271524616gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters
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<DIV>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a
reality.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 75%; COLOR: rgb(87,87,87)">Sent from my U.S.
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<DIV class=yiv5271524616>He said in an interview that Idabel cost
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<DIV dir=ltr>Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers,
but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to
$35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests (and
perform them).
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<DIV>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may
be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I
would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then
a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building
Idabel? ~ Douglas S. </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv5271524616>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <SPAN
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<DIV>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of
pressure? </DIV>
<DIV>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things
in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of
sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and
bounce ideas off of? </DIV>
<DIV>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase
overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for
things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<DIV>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest
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<DIV>Vance<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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<DIV>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the
idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has
1670psi capability?</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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general people design their boats with a crush depth of</SPAN></DIV>
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their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x</SPAN></DIV>
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proposed maximum operating depth.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is
what I am thinking.</DIV>
<DIV>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of
difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</DIV>
<DIV>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what
needs to be improved on in design and ability.</DIV>
<DIV>3) Learn to use CAD </DIV>
<DIV>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</DIV>
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<DIV>My initial goals are</DIV>
<DIV>1) Hold 3 people</DIV>
<DIV>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</DIV>
<DIV>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good
manipulator arm and tooling</DIV>
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<DIV>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front</DIV>
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<DIV>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to
overcome? What complications am I not considering?</DIV>
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