<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Thanks Sean,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>sounds a good idea, I will look in to it a bit more.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">I'm not against hydraulics, but with a ready sauce of energy in compressed air, I will save space, </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue',
Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">complexity & limit noise </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">by going with pneumatics over hydraulics. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">The sub is for recreational purposes to 500 ft.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">Regards Alan</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue',
Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Sean T. Stevenson <cast55@telus.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 7, 2014 1:41 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pneumatic Rotary Actuators<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4380138669"><div>
<div class="yiv4380138669moz-cite-prefix">I have built manipulators in the past
using a small hydraulic motor to rotate the inner half of a
hydraulic slip ring, (outer half, motor and arm structure all
attached) with manipulator jaws attached that were actuated
hydraulically through the slip ring. Not sure why you're against
hydraulics, but there's no reason you couldn't do the same thing
with an electric stepper motor and pneumatic actuation.<br clear="none">
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On 2014-04-05 13:39, Alan James wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><span>Thanks Jim K & T,</span></div>
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things. I might be better to rotate via an electric</div>
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hold with pneumatics outside. I've got an idea those</div>
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expensive.</div>
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<div><font size="3">Hi Alan,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Could you use a sealed-unit worm
gear operated by a small electric motor? That
would hold at 180 degrees or any other position
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Central Daylight Time, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4380138669moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:kocpnt@tds.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:kocpnt@tds.net">kocpnt@tds.net</a> writes:</div>
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<div>If you use a thru hull, a linear actuator
working at 12, 24 or 36 volts works well as
well as giving more positive locations than
air. They are simple and robust however slower
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<div>You can find some examples at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="http://www.surpluscenter.com/" target="_blank" href="http://www.surpluscenter.com/">www.surpluscenter.com</a></div>
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Apr 4, 2014 at 5:10 PM, hank pronk <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>></span>
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<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>you
can rotate 180 degrees with a
single air cylinder and a watts
link.</span></div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>No
need for an actuator</span></div>
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PM, Alan James <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>>
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<div>Hi, </div>
<div>I'm wondering
if anyone has had
any experience
with either
pneumatic</div>
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pinion actuators,
or rotary vane
actuators,
operating
underwater.</div>
<div>I need to
rotate something
through 180
degrees & have
it held with a bit</div>
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pressure at one <span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">end of the motion.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,;"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">One concern is seawater getting in to the
gearing of those
items, &
there
reliability. </span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,;"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Another option, could be a normal pneumatic
cylinder with an
external</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,;"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">rack & pinion added. Am trying not to have
to go to
hydraulics.</span></div>
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