<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>I wouldn't worry about radio contact Joe,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>they don't even have it on 777s these days.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Alan</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Perkel <josephperkel@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:58 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio's<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3469436002"><div><div>You guys are scaring me.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm thinking to learn morse and tap on the hull!</div><div><br></div><div>Joe<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 29, 2014, at 5:13 PM, hank pronk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>Vance,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Why three?</span></div><div class="yiv3469436002yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On , hank pronk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank"
href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv3469436002y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3469436002"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Vance,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>My guy said he had to research the UQC to get schematic's and in doing so he claims they are 10k per unit. Alan Whitfield from Silvercrest says UQC's are 3 to 5 K pre set. So I don't know ?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
background-color: transparent;"><span>I will ask him how much to reproduce them for you.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yiv3469436002yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class="yiv3469436002yqt2473757035" id="yiv3469436002yqt68226"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:02:01 PM, Vance Bradley <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com">VBra676539@AOL.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font>
</div> <div class="yiv3469436002y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3469436002"><div><div>I think Nuytco gets $10k each for their digital UQCs, and that isn't bad on the current market. Makes the EDOs pretty reasonable, all things considered. If your repair guy is up for building a few like them you'd have an instant cottage industry selling them on psubs and eBay. Sign me up for three
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transducers.</div><div>Vance</div><div><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class="yiv3469436002yqt6630547499" id="yiv3469436002yqt84933"><div><br clear="none">On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:44 PM, hank pronk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" shape="rect">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Very good points, I will have to put the sonar in the sub also then. The head of the finance
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(wife) is okay with abandoning my original budget, but that is pushing it :-) </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Vance,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>I will call them what they are UQC's :-)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yiv3469436002yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
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<div><font class="yiv3469436002Apple-style-span" size="3">You might want to look at ultra shortbase tracking for the sub. Good systems can be had for $15K. And, as Scott discussed, sonar is also a function of exponential dollars. If you want to stay in the low thousands, then you settle for shorter range and less definition. After that, it's a step up to the big boys at $30K or better. A decent boat sonar can be used in conjunction with a good tracker and a dependable UQC to vector the sub in general toward targets, but to do both on both ends gets pretty expensive. Hank could well double his investment just in electronics, and Scott would be just about tripling his. Moving beyond line-of-sight in the water is expensive, no doubt. Very useful, but painful to the pocketbook. Hank's EDO comm units are UQCs, not radios. The Q is Navy-speak for acoustic, as in underwater acoustic communications. They don't work like radio, of course, in that the signal is
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<div>Just remember with these sonars the downward imaging gets less and less sharp the further down you go. After about 150' it really falls off and the image is super small. The sonar beam is a cone shape (I believe like 9 degrees on the downward imagine part). The only way I know of to get good side imaginig from a surface boat in water deeper than 150' is a tow behind and they start at $10,000. If it is on the sub, it is a cheap way to get good imaging. If you wanna get really awesome imaging, get a blue veiw. But they start at $30,000.</div>
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<div>I would personally stay away from Lowrance. For them to do side scan imaging, you have to buy another modual and it is bulky. The humminbird is all slef contained. I honestly wanted the Lowrance at first cause I liked the sound of the name better, haha, kinda dumb reason, but when I started to research them, I decided on humminbird. I personally chose the 898c because of it's capabilities. I would of liked to go to the
1000 series, but the screen is just to big for the inside of my sub. I believe euronaut also has a humminbird 898c as well. If you decide to go that route, be sure you get the right subcon connector. You have to remember the GPS module has to be ran outside the sub as well and must be epoxy filled. I can help you through all that if you need. I made alot of mistakes connecting data wires that could be easily avoided.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:41:05 PM, Brian Cox <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brian@ojaivalleybeefarm.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian@ojaivalleybeefarm.com" shape="rect">brian@ojaivalleybeefarm.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div>
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<div>There is currently a surface station and a aqua comm which is what I used in my sub for sale for $1500 for the two ($750 each). Most psubs members that have underwater comms have OTS so his would be compatible. Here is a link about the hummin bird 898 and it shows how to read the images you would see. I will post images after I test. it will be fun to see how they compare. </div>
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