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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.</font></div>
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods<br>
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External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.<br>
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Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.<br>
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Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.<br>
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<div><font size="3">Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover,
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts. His focus
was more on drawing people into support of the mission which is a very
important one. He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs
convention. That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and
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<div>In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
<a href="mailto:vbra676539@aol.com">vbra676539@aol.com</a> writes:</div>
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<div><font class="yiv2194733470Apple-style-span" size="3">The external deck mounted scuba tanks
are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been
built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.
Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a
ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a
cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they
can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat
ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat
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you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!
Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military
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rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be
helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one
somewhere?</span></div>
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<div><font size="3">Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a
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<div><font size="3">I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic
wood flooring or synthetic decking material. Both are far superior to
real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing
properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a
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I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!</span></div>
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<div>If you got to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/" target="_blank" href="http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/">http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/</a> and scroll
down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there
is no description of the materials used.</div>
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<div>Here's another video before its latest makeover: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8" target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8</a></div>
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<div>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see
longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.</div>
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<div>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother
neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.</div>
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<div>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great
White. It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore. There's a
photo gallery about 70% of the way down. -Jim</div>
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