<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Sorry having trouble with the links.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Try copy & pasting this.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span></span></div><div><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://robosklep.eu/sklep/pl/p/Hydraulic-Arm/231?currency=USD</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Alan</span></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alan James <alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 27, 2014 8:54 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9816377626"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div><span>Here is a great looking manipulator for .31c US.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Not sure what the postage is from Poland. I tried the "buy now" on another link but </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>couldn't initiate a purchase. </span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://http//robosklep.eu/sklep/pl/p/Hydraulic-Arm/231">http://robosklep.eu/sklep/pl/p/Hydraulic-Arm/231</a><br
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Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:20 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv9816377626y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv9816377626"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div><span>Thanks Vance,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I'll have a look in to the pneumatic manipulator; however there are problems</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span>that come to mind, like how do you stop the
whole unit going in & out like a concertina</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>with water pressure changes.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Alan</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class="yiv9816377626yqt2033282341" id="yiv9816377626yqt97527"><div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "vbra676539@aol.com" <vbra676539@aol.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> personal_submersibles@psubs.org <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:50 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv9816377626y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv9816377626"><div><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font class="yiv9816377626Apple-style-span" size="3">I can't answer, as I have precisely zero experience with pneumo manips. Nuytco did in fact cook one up for the Sea Urchin, which seemed to work okay, but I don't know anything about it. Sorry. That said, if it's cheap and it works (even if it's a pain in the ass) then it's worth having. Subs should be able to DO something, not just cruise around like an oversized camera housing with motors. I'd give serious consideration to the ball and socket arm, which functions adequately down to about 600 feet (according to the boys who have used them). We figure one would cost about $500-600 USD to machine, plus material and welding. A thousand bucks or a little more isn't bad, considering there are
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<div>One more question Vance & I'll leave you in peace</div>
<div>for a week.</div>
<div>For a small non commercial submersible operating to 500 ft</div>
<div>that has a very limited use for a manipulator other than it being there </div>
<div>just in case we come across some item of value. Is a pneumatic manipulator a good</div>
<div>option? Air is already there & wouldn't be consumed much because</div>
<div>of the limited use. No noise & expensive space consuming hydraulic system.</div>
<div>And as you say there are options for lifting heavier items.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div><span>Thanks Vance,</span></div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Vance Bradley <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Vbra676539@AOL.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vbra676539@AOL.com">Vbra676539@AOL.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:42 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators<br clear="none"> </font> </div>
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<div>I've seen the discussion. The smallest sub I know of with a manipulator on board is the Deepworker. No exfra tanks there. Metacentric vs CG works in all directions. Yes, you get movement and no it's not a problem in my experience. I did operate the bigger subs but also smaller ones, to include Aquarius, briefly in a DW, plus three different K-boats,
so speak with some experience. You put everything you imagine on a
small sub, you get a big sub. In any case, It's probably best to think of a psub as a work in progress. Get the boat done, go play, scratch head, get more work done, go play, scratch head......and so it goes.</div>
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<div>a couple of people have mentioned lately the problem of the shifting of</div>
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reach out with a manipulator & have talked about countering it with</div>
<div>trim tanks. Is it a big deal if you go nose down, tail up? Possibly more of a problem working on a </div>
<div>vertical face than picking something up off the bottom. </div>
<div>Some of our subs will be a lot smaller than <span style="font-size:10pt;">the working </span><span style="font-size:10pt;">subs you were in so the problem would be </span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">accentuated in our case.</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Can you give us
some of your experience on this thanks & in your opinion is it worth messing</span></div>
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