<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi Havard,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I'm in New Zealand, </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">G.L. is based in Hamburg, Germany. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">We have a member in Rostock, Germany, Carsten, who overseas </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">certification for Swiss Lloyds, which focuses on smaller
submersibles.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Most home builders wouldn't build to classification standard. But the rules are there for a reason & </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">there are some good safety guidelines that can be found in them.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">Alan</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> </span></div><div style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Håvard Hardy <haavard.hardy@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 20, 2014 11:41 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Propulsion & Manoeuvring
Equipment<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3219623508"><div><div dir="ltr">Ahh okey! :)<div><br clear="none"></div><div>only 5 mil people in Norway, havent found anyone that have buildt a sub here befor, think i am the first one! havent found any rules or <span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">classification & certification here in norway. so i am going after the ones you have inn Usa. </span></div>
</div><div class="yiv3219623508gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3219623508gmail_quote">2014/1/20 Alan James <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>></span><br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3219623508gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="yiv3219623508yqt0568620405" id="yiv3219623508yqt86113"><div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><div><span>Hi Havard,</span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<span>I'm going through the Germanic Lloyds rules for classification & certification of submersibles & </span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<span>summarizing it for people that may be interested. Most of the group come from the U.S.A where</span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<span>they have the American Bureau of Shipping as the main submersible classifyer.</span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<span>Alan</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Håvard Hardy <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:haavard.hardy@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:haavard.hardy@gmail.com">haavard.hardy@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 20, 2014 9:05 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Propulsion & Manoeuvring Equipment<br clear="none"> </font> </div>
<div><div class="yiv3219623508h5"> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr">sorry, have to ask.. G.L rules?</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>2014/1/20 Alan James <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>></span><br clear="none">
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This is section 10 of 15. We are slowly getting there.</div><div><span style="font-size:10pt;"> In addition to the following rules, the propulsion & steering systems are subject to G.L. rules for</span></div><div>machinery installations & the rudders to G.L. rules on hull structures.</div>
<div> The motors are to be designed to be used continuously.</div><div> Propellers need shielding.</div><div> Electronic motor controllers shouldn't fail so the motor continues running, & the motors need to </div>
<div>be capable of manual control.</div><div> The propulsion equipment needs to be fitted with indicators & alarms to guarantee safe operation.</div><div> Effective reverse thrust for braking has to
be provided.</div><div> The stress in the rudder stock can't exceed .5 of the yield stress.</div><div> Independent submersibles (operated off shore without support ship), need to be equipped with</div><div>auxiliary steering gear (bit foggy about what this means)</div>
<div> The steering gear needs to be able to move the rudder from 35 degrees one side to 30 degrees the other</div><div>within 28 seconds (how's that for nit picking)</div><div> If horizontal rudders are a necessity on your sub, they need to have an alternative power supply that can</div>
<div>be operated from the control stand. The "slewing" movements of motors used for maneuvering are also subject</div><div>to the above requirement.</div><div> There needs to be rudder position indicators & indicators to signal any failure of the steering gear.</div>
<div> There are rules for dynamic positioning that are required for
some operations, but probably don't concern us</div><div>& their equipment is examined on a case by case basis.</div><div>Regards Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div><div>
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