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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hank,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I did it the way I did for several
reasons. The first was to get as much extension as I could. My pipes
are 10 feet long each with a few more inches for the ball mount and a few more
inches of hitch length. Fully extended there is about a foot and a half
over lap. So fully extended it increases my reach about 19 feet. I
couldn't get that much out of a slider in the trailer. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If it was a slider in the trailer, it would have to
be heavy enough to take the tong weight without flexing to much. My tong
weight is all on my spare tire that is also a fifth wheel and tire for
launching. Of course, to get it off the boat ramp the tong extension has
to be removed, hook back to the truck and the fifth wheel lifted off the
ground. All I can do with the pole extension is move it straight back
and forth. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My trailer is built with the deck below the trailer
frame so the sub can be as low as possible for launching. There wouldn't
be room for a straight tong to go all the way back and still have a trailer deck
that's about eight inches off the ground. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Using a trailer with say forty feet from truck
tires to trailer tires would be impossible to launch at most boat ramps I
use.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>To launch my sub I need a ramp where there is 5
feet of water within 40 feet from shore. My trailer behind my truck with
the truck tires in a little bit of water will get the center of my sub out
that far. It's surprising how many lake boat ramps don't have enough water
for me to launch from. And some that do have big washouts I have to back
through to get out far enough. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dan H. </FONT></DIV>
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pronk</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 13, 2013 4:48
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
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<DIV><SPAN>My idea was to make the existing hitch telescope out of the
trailer. No need to add bars or poles. Just pull the pin and drive
ahead, when the wheels pull against the chalks stop and put the pin in.
Back into the water. The only problem may be the trailer is not long
enough to have the length of extension you want. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Hank</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:58:21 PM,
Dan H. <jumachine@comcast.net> wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I used 2-1/2 inch schedule 40 pipe for
the outer tube and 2" schedule 40 pipe for the inner tube.
2-1/2 inch pipe actually measures about 2-7/8 inch OD. and like wise, 2" in
near 2-3/8 OD.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If I were making another one I would jump up one
size for each. 3" pipe for the outer and 2-1/2 inch for the inner.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's a bit more weight but would allow you to
actually push back a little if your trailer dropped in a hole while
backing in. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dan H.</FONT> </DIV>
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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Trailer</DIV>
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<DIV>I like the ease of making the bar, but backing up a double trailer is
pretty difficult. They way they do it in the video is on the ramp,
chalking the tires and attaching a tow strap in case it started to roll down
the ramp. I currently have been launching my sub with a tow bar similar
to this from my parents yacht club. I think the long and the short of
it is the tow bar is a better option due to ease of construction and
the ability to make steeper ramps work.</DIV>
<DIV>Any idea on the size of metal tubing used for Dans design?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters </DIV>
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<DIV>Actually Dan H's solution is telescoping as well, and I like it
better than mine, particularly if your trailer is already built as you
will not need to change it. See this video, starting at 0:38.</DIV>
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<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR clear=none>Alec</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv0766342134gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:23 AM,
James Frankland <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Hi Scott,</DIV>
<DIV>Have a look at the 3rd picture from the bottom here of Dan H's
trailer. Im going to make a very similar one out of a scaffolding
pole. Im not going to bother making it telescopic, just carry it
strapped to the trailer bed and attach it when needed.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv0766342134gmail_quote>On 13 December 2013 15:55, swaters
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<DIV>If you use the telescoping idea, how big of square tubing do you
need to do a 20' stretch?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>That is a question with no right answer. It totally
depends on your boat ramps. If I understand you, your choosing
between a extension pole between truck and trailer and a telescopic
reach. If your boat ramps have a sharp angle at the crest then a
telescopic reach may drag on the ground. I like the telescopic
reach idea because you can just pull a pin then drive ahead until the
reach is extended. Put the pin back in the new spot and your
away. If you have limited help that is the way to
go.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I am working on modifying my trailer so I can launch my sub
myself. I have 2 ideas. One is the conventional idea of havinga second
tounge extension trailer so I can get the length to launch the boat.
The second is to have a long touge that replaces the hitch and the
long tounge has a hitch on it? Any reccomendations?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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