<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Jon,</div><div>Yes it says things like "intended seaway" & " operating area"</div><div>but gives no specifics. </div><div>I guess there would be a wind & sea state restriction on the</div><div>classification. In a hurricane the forces on the conning tower</div><div>would heel the sub over & make a mockery of any calculations.</div><div>  There is a statement in "manned submersibles" that seamanship</div><div>Is just as important as a seaworthy boat. And good judgement</div><div>regarding conditions & operation is the other side of the coin.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>  </div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 6/12/2013, at 4:33 AM, Jon Wallace <<a href="mailto:jonw@psubs.org">jonw@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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      I think the first sentence is key, "Submersibles will be assigned
      Class only after it has been demonstrated that their buoyancy and
      their static and dynamic stability in in tact condition is
      adequate FOR THE SERVICE INTENDED".  Some of the lack of
      specificity is because they can't conceive of every possible
      application.  They do however have quite a few specifics as you
      outlined.  Some of the testing won't apply (ie fuel load) and it's
      possible that a narrow scope of service might lower number of
      tests required.<br>
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      On 12/5/2013 4:08 AM, Alan James wrote:<br>
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                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">I'm
                                  afraid there is nothing simple in this
                                  section. It is lacking in a lot of
                                  specifics.</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">There

                                  are statements such as "shall
                                  generally meet the standard defined</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">in
                                  the following unless special
                                  operational restrictions reflected in
                                  the class</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">notification
                                  allow a lower level. &
                                  ...Depending on the type of
                                  submersible & the </div>
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                                  area, the distance between the
                                  waterline in fully surfaced condition</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">and
                                  the upper edge of entrance openings,
                                  air pipes,etc. which may be open</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">for
                                  surfaced operation, has to be approved
                                  by G.L.</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502"> 
                                   ABS has a minimum distance from the
                                  waterline to the hatch opening of 30"</div>
                                <div id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386061802447_2502">whereas
                                  G.L. states; <span style="font-size:
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                                    between metacentric height &
                                    center of gravity </span><span id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_7_1386063901473_17" style="background-color:
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                                    10cm. (4") </span><span id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386063901473_2596" style="background-color:
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                                    for submerged, a minimum distance
                                    between center of buoyancy </span><span id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_7_1386063901473_21" style="background-color:
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                                    center </span><span id="yiv7320916847yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386065276172_2496" style="background-color:
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                                    gravity of 5cm (2") (same as ABS).
                                    At no stage will G be above B.
                                    (including after dropping the drop
                                    weight)</span></div>
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                                    the initial paper work sent before
                                    construction, a detailed analyses of
                                    stability is to</span></div>
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                                     This takes the form of analyzing
                                    the heeling levers of 10 different
                                    load cases in fresh & salt
                                    water, 6 </span><span style="background-color:
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                                    the surface & 4 submerged &
                                    at 6 different heeling</span></div>
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                                    So looks like 120 calculations. </span><span style="background-color:
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                                    forces from free liquid surfaces,
                                    turning circles, wind, ice loads,
                                    transference </span><span style="background-color:
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                                    equipment & personal &
                                    payloads from working devices have
                                    to be considered.</span></div>
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                                    needs to be sufficient ballast to
                                    keep a minimum of 10% of the
                                    pressure</span></div>
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                                    out of the water. The draught line
                                    has to be marked on the hull. </span></div>
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                                    one major ballast tank is damaged
                                    the hatch has to be able to open
                                    without</span></div>
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                                    coming in & the heeling angle
                                    shouldn't exceed 22,5 degrees.</span></div>
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                                    is an operational in water test at
                                    the end of construction with
                                    evaluation</span></div>
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                                    the center of gravity upon which the
                                    pre build calculations were based.</span></div>
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