<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Thanks everyone for those figures on classification costs.</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">The patent topic stemmed from a joke of Jon's, however</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">I still feel that if someone patented an idea that came out of a</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">public forum, that that patent could be challenged on the grounds of prior</div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">art work.</span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><b>Prior art</b> (also known as <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_art" title="State of the art" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">state of the art</a></b>, which also has other meanings, or <b>background art</b><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference" style="unicode-bidi: -webkit-isolate; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art#cite_note-1" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">[1]</a></sup>), in most systems of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent" title="Patent" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">patent</a> law,<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference" style="unicode-bidi: -webkit-isolate; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art#cite_note-2" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">[2]</a></sup> constitutes all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information" title="Information" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">information</a> that has been made available to the public in any form before a given date that might be relevant to a patent's claims of originality. If an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention" title="Invention" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none; ">invention</a> has been described in the prior art, a patent on that invention is not valid.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Also </span><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><a href="http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2128.html">http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2128.html</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Electronic media & prior art.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"> Back to the Classification; Phil gave a good summary of what is required in the form of </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">documentation to be supplied to the classification agency after going in to contract with them</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">& prior to the build. It is outlined in section 2E in the GL classification guide lines.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">It is HUGE & includes documentation & drawings for the whole system, a manual for maintain acne & operation etc etc.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Alan<br>Sent from my iPad</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On 20/11/2013, at 3:52 PM, "Phil Nuytten" <<a href="mailto:phil@philnuytten.com">phil@philnuytten.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div><title>E-Mail Software 6.0</title>
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<div>RE: cost of sub certification - If you do all the test documentation, plan
approval docs, FEA’s, Von Mises, construction drawings, electronic schematics,
piping diagrams and sub-system drawings, yourself – figure about $50,000.</div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">BTW, putting a patentable idea out in the ‘public
domain’ most certainly doesn’t safeguard against anyone copying it – in fact, it
may well be the exact opposite! ‘Public Disclosure’ may well prohibit the
ability to engage the patent process, period. (Not trying to chuck cold
water, but check the US patent act and that’s what you’ll find . . . if you
intend to disclose prior to patenting, then at least apply for a ‘Provisional
Patent’ – dirt cheap, and protects you for 12 months or so )</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">Alan James</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:04 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible
Classification</div></div></div>
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<div><span>Hi Jon,</span></div>
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may have more knowledge on this but I think that</span></div>
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you have put your idea out in the public domain</span></div>
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may be regarded as "prior art work" safe guarding you against</span></div>
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patenting your idea.</span></div>
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anybody have a guess at what classification for a boat similar</div>
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a K350 would cost in fees to an agency, aside from all the additional</div>
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in getting together all the documentation etc.</div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Jon
Wallace <<a href="mailto:jonw@psubs.org">jonw@psubs.org</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General
Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22
AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
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<div class="yiv3778867400moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">And nobody better steal
my idea until I patent it.<br clear="none">
<div id="yiv3778867400yqtfd81824" class="yiv3778867400yqt8774440583"><br clear="none">On 11/26/2013 2:26 PM, <a class="yiv3778867400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div>
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<div><br clear="none">I am pretty sure a electric driven MBT valve based on a
handheld drilling machine motor will be not accept as equal solution. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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