<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Hi Jon,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I have very little idea as to what requirements there are in both,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>other than what I've heard over the years on this site & snippets elsewhere.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>They could be very close, I don't know.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">I intend to read through ABS as well but for some reason I've started on G.L..</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I doubt there will be an issue of competition here as I can't see too many Psubbers </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>wanting to spend the money to certify. However from a safety standpoint there may</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>be some interest. And either group would be a good guideline for this.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I could start with ABS, but members may be more familiar with them than G.L., &</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>able to comment on
discrepancies. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I think Jim & David were interested in following classification guidelines.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>How far are you two down the track with this? And would it be preferred if we went</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>over ABS instead???</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px;
font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Regards Alan</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace <jonw@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:37 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification<br> </font> </div> <div
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I don't have any issues with it as long as the discussion remains
objective. I have been reminded that we have a working
relationship with ABS that we've worked hard to build up over the
years and don't want to jeopardize. However, we would certainly
entertain and approve of a working relationship with GL as well,
and any others that might want a working relationship with PSUBS.
I would also note that we do have links to GL on our website right
now at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0397110829moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/">WWW.PSUBS.ORG</a> -> Resources & Reference ->
Guidelines & Standards -> Germanischer Lloyd AG (hopefully
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I've never personally looked at certification as "us vs them".
Kittredge used both ABS and Lloyd's, as has Nuytco I believe. In
fact, Kittredge also used Nippon once. I believe the choice
usually comes down to financials rather than one set of rules
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If you think there's a propensity for the discussion to get
critical of a particular certifying authority let's have it on the
member-only list instead of the public list.<br clear="none">
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On 11/25/2013 6:33 PM, Alan James wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">Hi,</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">I've just
started going through the Germanic LLoyds rules for
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<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">of manned
submersibles, with view to building as close as possible to
them.</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.gl-group.com/pdf/GL_Rules_MannedSubmersibles.pdf" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);">http://www.gl-group.com/pdf/ GL_Rules_MannedSubmersibles. pdf</a><br clear="none">
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<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">Is anyone
interested in me summarizing the rules as I go along?</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">There are a few
people in the group with GL classification experience who</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">may want to chip
in & keep an eye on what I'm saying in case my
understanding</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">is not quite
right. Also any variations from ABS that people pick up on</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;">would be
interesting to know.</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;"><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px;">I am hopeful this
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<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.800000190734863px;"><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px;">Jon if you don't
like this idea email me</span><img src="http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo1.gif" alt="*:) happy" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"></div>
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