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<div>My surface unit works the same with the connecting wires creating a "switch" when the transducer is plugged in. My take is the connection in the transducer is broken or the surface unit is broken. James, you might take it to the tech dive shop and try one of there transducers and see if it works then. If not then you know it is the surface unit. If it is the surface unit, open up the surface unit and check the "switch" wires to be sure they haven't been disconnected. Check the speaker wires to be sure they haven't been disconnected. Just a some dumb possibilities... Make sure volume is turned up, make sure to test the transducer you put it in water or push it up against another transducer, be sure the speaker switch is turned on, be sure the surface unit has a fully charged battery. Probably not the problem, but just double check that stuff.</div>
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<DIV id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OTS Issue<BR>From: "Smyth, Alec" <<a href="mailto:Alec.Smyth@covisint.com">Alec.Smyth@covisint.com</a>><BR>Date: Fri, October 25, 2013 5:30 am<BR>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<BR><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><BR><BR>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Sounds like our transducer connectors are a little different, which could be explained by the fact you have a surface unit whereas I use a diver unit on the surface. I know Dan Lance, Cliff, and Scott all have surface units like yours, so maybe they can weigh in. But to me it does sound like it might be broken, and your plan to plug in an un-hacked transducer the way to find out for sure. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Ok, at least i wasnt being a noddy.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">So, this is what i did.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Plugged the batteries in and checked 12V at the output. All ok.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">At the back of the transducer socket, there are 3 wires coming out. 2 go into 1 plug on the pcb and 1 goes into a seperate plug. Lets call them A\B for the pair and C for the single.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">I could just get my meter on the exposed wires to check voltage.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">WITHOUT the transducer plugged in, I was getting 12v accross A\B to C and also continuity the same.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">WITH the transducer plugged in i got nothing. No voltage at all and no continuity between A\B and C.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Next I manually connected pins 1 to 3 together in all configurations. Nothing came on.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">I have a horrible feeling its broken.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Next I am going to take the whole unit to my local tech dive shop. The guy has lots of OTS kit and will have a transducer thats not been hacked for me top try.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:52 AM, James Frankland <<A href="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com" target=_blank>jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Before i report my finding of last night, i think i might be being a complete numpty. I am assuming that the radio will come on even though the transducer is not in the water? Obviously no signal but i was assuming the radio would at least crackle to life. Does the transducer need to be underwater before the radio will switch on??<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Ok, i think i get it. I will investigate later and report back...! Many thanks.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">Let me try and re-word this... You will find the cable has two conductors, but the connector has three contacts. Two of the contacts are connected to the same cable. Thus when you screw the connector onto the OTS unit, it closes a circuit between the two contacts. Don't cut open the connector, you can explore this just by checking continuity between the contacts. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM, James Frankland <<A href="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com" target=_blank>jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;">On 24 October 2013 11:20, Alec Smyth <<A href="mailto:alecsmyth@gmail.com" target=_blank>alecsmyth@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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