<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN id=misspell-0 class=mark>Nooo</SPAN> Hank, I'm just talking about the dome hatch on a K-350, not a <SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>Deepworker</SPAN> "Lite".</SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>From experience, I can say a <SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>DW</SPAN> style sub is very fast to build if you use pressed <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>hemi's</SPAN>. There is much less welding and fabricating than a k350. Of coarse I am talking about a 300 foot rated sub. The problem is when you get that small you need a barge, no way around it. Also your life support system is on the minute you close the hatch. Also the reaction time for O2 and CO2 levels to rise and fall is fast. You would want a bellows add system for sure. Super small is nice but takes some big brain power to make it work right.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Funny you should mention that Vance! </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><VAR id=yiv9405638338yui-ie-cursor></VAR>It did not go unnoticed how easily Alec skipped on down to the Florida Keys practically whipping Snoopy out of his back pocket in the process and flinging it around like an infants mobile on that davit! Much was demonstrated as to the <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-0><SPAN>benefits</SPAN></SPAN> of keeping the weight down!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Not being a machinist, what issues present themselves fabrication wise, to cant a K-250 dome forward (<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-1 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>ala</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-2 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>Deepworker</SPAN></SPAN>) a few degrees on a taller tower?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>That will give you something new to ponder. Now you have to design a boat around the geometric constraints of the Vancouver test tank. 7' X 9'. Let's see what comes out of that. <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-5 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-16 class=mark>Deepworkers</SPAN></SPAN>, anybody?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message----- From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel@yahoo.com> To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-8 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-19 class=mark>MAILIST</SPAN></SPAN>] pressure test
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<TD vAlign=top>Hank,<BR><BR>I remember having researched this issue once upon a time, and I remember it giving me fits finding it. It's the same navy facility in Md mentioned by Alec , "<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-9 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>Calderock</SPAN></SPAN>," only he took it a step further having actually called them. It's very hard to find on the website, it's listed under laboratories and facilities as the "deep submergence test facility." <A href="http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/carderock/pub/what/facilities/facilities_list.aspx" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/carderock/pub/what/facilities/facilities_list.aspx</A><BR><BR>Elsewhere on the site you can find the agreement and cost analysis forms to download. <BR>So Alec has discovered the prohibitive cost which puts an end to it in my book.<BR><BR>It turns out that the best case scenario for a test facility for us <SPAN
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I just heard from <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-17 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-28 class=mark>WHOI</SPAN></SPAN>, they tell me there is no chamber in the Pacific North West. They suggest talking with the University of Washington. I am sure Dr <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-18 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-29 class=mark>Nuytten</SPAN></SPAN> would have mentioned it if there were one down there. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>There are two in the states however, the one on the west coast has a 72" limit if I recall correctly.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>The other on the east coast, is the same one used for the k-600 and Alvin.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><VAR id=yiv9405638338yui-ie-cursor></VAR>Go to the <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-22 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-33 class=mark>WHOI</SPAN></SPAN> website for info</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>As Vance says, HY80 is somewhat challenging to weld – err, actually, that’s an understatement. We had to work with our fabricators to come up with a whole weld procedure to satisfy our classing agency. If you decide to go this route, let me know and we will share that procedure.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">I think it is somewhat demanding to weld, and expensive by comparison, of course. That said, there is a mountain of data available, as the pressure hulls of most modern US Navy submarines are built out of it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message----- From: Hugh Fulton <<A href="mailto:hc.fulton@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:hc.fulton@gmail.com">hc.fulton@gmail.com</A>> To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-33 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-44 class=mark>MAILIST</SPAN></SPAN>] Best Steel to use for Sub Hull
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Vance, Yep that sounds about right.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org?</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Vance Bradley<BR clear=none><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 23 October 2013 1:37 p.m.<BR clear=none><B>To:</B> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<BR clear=none><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PSUBS-<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-37 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-48 class=mark>MAILIST</SPAN></SPAN>] Best Steel to use for Sub Hull</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal>Hugh,</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal>HY-80 used to maintain the standard dimensions of a <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-38 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-49 class=mark>DW</SPAN></SPAN>2000 with 50% depth increase.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal>On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Hugh Fulton" <<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>hc.fulton@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Vance, I am sure I saw recently from Phil that he was using HY 80 but I don’t know what on. I did a <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-40 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-51 class=mark>calc</SPAN></SPAN> on mine and I got a lot deeper using the HY 80 specs over the Grade 70.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>vbra676539@aol.com</A><BR clear=none><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 23 October 2013 11:55 a.m.<BR clear=none><B>To:</B> <A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR clear=none><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PSUBS-<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-42 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-53 class=mark>MAILIST</SPAN></SPAN>] Best Steel to use for Sub Hull</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN>One other thing comes to mind on this. Phil uses A516Gr70 in the <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-43 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-54 class=mark>DW</SPAN></SPAN>2000s. It occurs to me that if there was a demonstrable benefit to A537, he would have used taken advantage of it. And he didn't, apparently. Interesting. Don't know why, though. Maybe it has something to do with welding stainless inserts in and the heat treatment thereof. Just a guess.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR clear=none>From: <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-44 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-55 class=mark>JimToddPsub</SPAN></SPAN> <<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>JimToddPsub@aol.com</A>><BR clear=none>To: personal_submersibles <<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR clear=none>Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:42 pm<BR clear=none>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-<SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-46 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-57 class=mark>MAILIST</SPAN></SPAN>] Best Steel to use for Sub Hull</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN>From <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-47 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-58 class=mark>Leeco</SPAN></SPAN> Steel's website:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A537 plate steel is heat-treated. As a result, it displays greater yield and tensile strength than the more standard A516 grades. <B><SPAN>A537 steel plate</SPAN></B> is ideal for both in boilers and pressure vessels, and is used in the oil, gas and petrochemical industry.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN>Nice to see it provides at least a brief comparison to A516. I'm sure there are more variables to consider including cost.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In a message dated 10/22/2013 5:23:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>vbra676539@aol.com</A> writes:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN>A537 was used extensively, as well, especially in the early boats that Perry built. Maybe you can figure it out. It seems that I recall being told that it was somewhat harder to weld but had better cold-water-under-pressure properties. Maybe Dr. <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-48 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-59 class=mark>Nuytten</SPAN></SPAN> would weigh in on this, assuming he isn't up to his ass in <SPAN id=yiv9405638338misspell-49 class=yiv9405638338mark><SPAN id=misspell-60 class=mark>DW</SPAN></SPAN>3000 alligators this week (which I suspect he is).</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white" class=yiv9405638338MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><BR clear=none>Generally, A516gr70 suffices for personal or recreational submarines.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Jon<BR clear=none><BR clear=none><BR clear=none>On 10/22/2013 12:45 PM, Christopher Cave wrote:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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