I've been looking at this product as an additional distress device. Which is not a pyrotecnic.<br />
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<a href="http://www.odeoflares.com/">http://www.odeoflares.com/</a><br />
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<div>Yea. I understand that. Is escaping in a bubble hood or escaping with a pony tank and scuba mask better? I worry about lung overexpansion with the pony tank.</div>
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<div style="background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0,0,0); font-size: 16px; right: auto"><span style="right: auto">The problem we would have is trying to get out through the hatch with such a bulky device. </span></div>
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<div>Is there some form of escape hood or suit that we could use? The navy uses these</div>
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<strong><span style="font-weight: bold">Verzonden:</span></strong> donderdag 5 september 2013 15:08<br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold">Aan:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br />
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<strong><span style="font-weight: bold">Sent:</span></strong> Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:23 AM<br />
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