From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 6 22:42:35 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 14:42:35 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2026 convention. Message-ID: <1ace01dc1fa1$13531540$39f93fc0$@gmail.com> Hi Jon, Sorry to be a pain but I have forgotten when the next convention is as I would like to come. Thanks Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Sep 7 05:37:43 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 09:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2026 convention. In-Reply-To: <1ace01dc1fa1$13531540$39f93fc0$@gmail.com> References: <1ace01dc1fa1$13531540$39f93fc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <667191087.829459.1757237863861@mail.yahoo.com> No problem Hugh.? It's listed on the website and you should check there for any updates, we're going to be in Islamorada Florida Feb 11-14.? Will be great to meet you!? I understand we potentially have another international traveler coming as well from across the Atlantic. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 10:44:42 PM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Jon, Sorry to be a pain but I have forgotten when the next convention is as I would like to come. Thanks Hugh _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 16 12:31:48 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 17:31:48 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to sell? Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving expensive. Anything considered! Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 16 13:25:34 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 13:25:34 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan H. made mine. He's a psubber with a machine shop, so maybe just your guy. Best, Alec On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:33?PM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi all > > Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to sell? > Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving expensive. > > Anything considered! > > Kind Regards > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He's a psubber with a machine shop, so maybe just your > guy. > > Best, > Alec > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:33?PM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to sell? >> Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving expensive. >> >> Anything considered! >> >> Kind Regards >> James >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 6:27?AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > James look at trailer ramp springs > Hank > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 16, 2025, at 5:35?PM, Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > ? > It may take some DIY to make them work, but trailer ramp springs may be an > option for you, there are some on Amazon or other places that could work. > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 10:26?AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Dan H. made mine. He's a psubber with a machine shop, so maybe just your >> guy. >> >> Best, >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:33?PM James Frankland via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to sell? >>> Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving expensive. >>> >>> Anything considered! >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> James >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 18 06:59:49 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 11:59:49 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs In-Reply-To: References: <4D01B224-612E-4529-91C5-F520BB3D9253@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Thanks all for the advice. I have actually managed to source a place where they can make them for me at a reasonable price. I think I am sorted now with this. Kind Regards James On Wed, 17 Sept 2025 at 21:11, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I stay in touch with Dan H. who did my hatch spring and I know he still > has his equipment. Give him a try? > > Rick > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 6:27?AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> James look at trailer ramp springs >> Hank >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 16, 2025, at 5:35?PM, Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> ? >> It may take some DIY to make them work, but trailer ramp springs may be >> an option for you, there are some on Amazon or other places that could work. >> >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 10:26?AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Dan H. made mine. He's a psubber with a machine shop, so maybe just your >>> guy. >>> >>> Best, >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:33?PM James Frankland via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to >>>> sell? Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving >>>> expensive. >>>> >>>> Anything considered! >>>> >>>> Kind Regards >>>> James >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 18 21:48:09 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 18:48:09 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs In-Reply-To: References: <4D01B224-612E-4529-91C5-F520BB3D9253@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Great! Let us know if it's somewhere that others might be able to source parts from too. Also related, I have a shameless plug for a shop that I recently started work at as an engineering consultant, specializing in small volume manufacturing catering to the maritime tech industry. Would it be okay to post their info here? On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 4:01?AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks all for the advice. I have actually managed to source a place > where they can make them for me at a reasonable price. > > I think I am sorted now with this. > > Kind Regards > James > > On Wed, 17 Sept 2025 at 21:11, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> I stay in touch with Dan H. who did my hatch spring and I know he still >> has his equipment. Give him a try? >> >> Rick >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 6:27?AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> James look at trailer ramp springs >>> Hank >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2025, at 5:35?PM, Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> It may take some DIY to make them work, but trailer ramp springs may be >>> an option for you, there are some on Amazon or other places that could work. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 10:26?AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Dan H. made mine. He's a psubber with a machine shop, so maybe just >>>> your guy. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Alec >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:33?PM James Frankland via >>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any hatch springs spare they would be willing to >>>>> sell? Im having difficulty getting some and custom ones are proving >>>>> expensive. >>>>> >>>>> Anything considered! >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> James >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 19 02:54:21 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 06:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs In-Reply-To: References: <4D01B224-612E-4529-91C5-F520BB3D9253@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <852907769.5392161.1758264861433@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, we're always interested in resources. On Thursday, September 18, 2025 at 09:50:20 PM EDT, Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Great! Let us know if it's somewhere that others might be able to source parts from too. Also related, I have a shameless plug for a shop that I recently started work at as an engineering consultant, specializing in small volume manufacturing catering to the maritime tech industry. Would it be okay to post their info here? From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 19 15:41:16 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 12:41:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Springs In-Reply-To: <852907769.5392161.1758264861433@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4D01B224-612E-4529-91C5-F520BB3D9253@yahoo.ca> <852907769.5392161.1758264861433@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great, thanks Jon! Here's the shop's website: https://www.performantmfg.com/ I do software/electronics work for them, but they have a lot of capabilities like CNC machining, milling/lathe work, laser cutting, 3D printing. There are some great engineers here that do 3D design as well. Feel free to reach out to me directly if you have a project in mind that we might be able to help with! Our most recent project was working with Scripps Institute of Oceanography to build their Spray2 underwater glider ROVs: https://www.mrvsys.com/products/spray2 On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 11:55?PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Yes, we're always interested in resources. > > > > > On Thursday, September 18, 2025 at 09:50:20 PM EDT, Justin Helland via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Great! Let us know if it's somewhere that others might be able to source > parts from too. > > Also related, I have a shameless plug for a shop that I recently started > work at as an engineering consultant, specializing in small volume > manufacturing catering to the maritime tech industry. 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I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic situation and used first before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would like it, you can have it. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any ideas on how to troubleshoot something like that? > I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical > viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic situation and used first > before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a > tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would > like it, you can have it. > > Rick > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:37?AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > It will likely be a potentiometer rather than a reostat. > Check it's not wired wrong first. > Let me know and we can go from there. > Alan > > Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer > > > On Tue, 30 Sept 2025 at 8:03 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersiblesely > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 15:55:18 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: References: <599639089.2001303.1759173679225@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <142265501.2015418.1759175718991@mail.yahoo.com> The reostat has 2 wires, potentiometer has 3 and works as a voltage divider.All of the modern motor controllers have potentiometers.?I have just set up a motor speed controller but are using a joy stick, which you may want to switch to. Just find one with the same value as the potentiometer you are using. You can get "spring to centre" so if you let go you get zero speed. Just a bit easier than a dial.Alan Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer On Tue, 30 Sept 2025 at 8:42 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Alan,?I thought they were the same?There is a black box and then from there it goes to the dial that you turn for direction and speed of prop. Rick On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:37?AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,It will likely be a potentiometer rather than a reostat.?Check it's not wired wrong first.?Let me know and we can go from there.Alan Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer On Tue, 30 Sept 2025 at 8:03 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersiblesely _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 16:43:00 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 20:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2111054847.2044570.1759178580284@mail.yahoo.com> What motor controller are you using? Jon On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 02:57:46 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am going through all the systems before her first launch and noted that my starboard Minn-Kota thruster when energised goes full power in one direction only and then stops quickly when the rheostat is rotated all the way in one direction.? Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?something like that? I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic?situation and used first before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would like it, you can have it.? Rick _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 17:12:19 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 21:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1429587299.91.1759180339411@mail.yahoo.com> Rick sounds like a bad potentiometer.? Minn Kota controllers often have a potentiometer on the controller.? The two outer legs are ground and 5 Vdc signal from the motor controller, the third leg is the wiper leg, which is used to send a 0-5 vdc signal the motor controller.? 0 vdc is full speed in one direction, 5 vdc is full speed in the opposite direction and 2.5 vdc is the neutral position with no rotation.? There is a dead band around the 2.5 vdc level.? Check the wiper leg of the potentiometer with a multimeter and confirm it is giving a 0-5 vdc signal as you rotate the potentiometer.? If not replace it. Best On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 01:56:49 PM CDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am going through all the systems before her first launch and noted that my starboard Minn-Kota thruster when energised goes full power in one direction only and then stops quickly when the rheostat is rotated all the way in one direction.? Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?something like that?I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic?situation and used first before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would like it, you can have it.? Rick_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 18:21:55 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:21:55 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: <1429587299.91.1759180339411@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1429587299.91.1759180339411@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am using the dial that came with the motor, I just removed it from what it was mounted on and fabricated my own small box to put it in. I am not sure which one of the three is the wiper leg? It had been working in the past the few times I tried it. Jon, do you remember who we bought our motors from and I will see if they would just sell the potentiometer. Rick On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 11:13?AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick sounds like a bad potentiometer. Minn Kota controllers often have a > potentiometer on the controller. The two outer legs are ground and 5 Vdc > signal from the motor controller, the third leg is the wiper leg, which is > used to send a 0-5 vdc signal the motor controller. 0 vdc is full speed in > one direction, 5 vdc is full speed in the opposite direction and 2.5 vdc is > the neutral position with no rotation. There is a dead band around the 2.5 > vdc level. Check the wiper leg of the potentiometer with a multimeter and > confirm it is giving a 0-5 vdc signal as you rotate the potentiometer. If > not replace it. > > Best > > On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 01:56:49 PM CDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I am going through all the systems before her first launch and noted that > my starboard Minn-Kota thruster when energised goes full power in one > direction only and then stops quickly when the rheostat is rotated all the > way in one direction. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot something like that? > I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical > viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic situation and used first > before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a > tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would > like it, you can have it. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 18:25:03 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:25:03 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: References: <1429587299.91.1759180339411@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What was the date and location in Florida of the Convention? I will make this one as I would like to put some faces with the names and help out however I can. Rick On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 12:21?PM Rick Patton wrote: > I am using the dial that came with the motor, I just removed it from what > it was mounted on and fabricated my own small box to put it in. I am not > sure which one of the three is the wiper leg? It had been working in the > past the few times I tried it. Jon, do you remember who we bought our > motors from and I will see if they would just sell the potentiometer. > > Rick > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 11:13?AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick sounds like a bad potentiometer. Minn Kota controllers often have a >> potentiometer on the controller. The two outer legs are ground and 5 Vdc >> signal from the motor controller, the third leg is the wiper leg, which is >> used to send a 0-5 vdc signal the motor controller. 0 vdc is full speed in >> one direction, 5 vdc is full speed in the opposite direction and 2.5 vdc is >> the neutral position with no rotation. There is a dead band around the 2.5 >> vdc level. Check the wiper leg of the potentiometer with a multimeter and >> confirm it is giving a 0-5 vdc signal as you rotate the potentiometer. If >> not replace it. >> >> Best >> >> On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 01:56:49 PM CDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> I am going through all the systems before her first launch and noted that >> my starboard Minn-Kota thruster when energised goes full power in one >> direction only and then stops quickly when the rheostat is rotated all the >> way in one direction. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot something like that? >> I also bought a bottle of sika flex primer for installing the conical >> viewport in the hatch which is a metal to acrylic situation and used first >> before bedding the surface with the sika flex goopy and use about a >> tablespoon of the $85 bottle and don't need it anymore so if anyone would >> like it, you can have it. >> >> Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or sometimes 0-3.5V.You could look inside the black box & see if the wires have come off in there.All the best.Alan Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer On Tue, 30 Sept 2025 at 11:23 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 29 18:40:07 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:40:07 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] question In-Reply-To: <1081762494.2078958.1759185279105@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1429587299.91.1759180339411@mail.yahoo.com> <1081762494.2078958.1759185279105@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, I'll give it a try and let you know. On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 12:35?PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, you can just try out the wires in different positions, you won't do > any damage. > Normally you have a black & a red wire & they go on the far left & far > right pin, and a coloured wire goes on the middle pin. > Start with the coloured wire in the middle first & change the red and > black. > If that fails you can check that the potentiometer is working with a multi > meter. > If you put the probe of the meter on one of the outside pins & the other > probe on the middle pin, you should see the voltage vary from 0 to 5V. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 30 09:12:42 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 302 v 316 stainless for springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1513881012.2271849.1759237962253@mail.yahoo.com> James, your dive environment is different from most psubbers, being exclusively salt water.? I don't have any experience with using 302 stainless steel for hatch springs, but for both the R300 and R400, I use?spring-tempered steel wire,?ASTM A229,?that I have power-coated.? This has not been an issue for the 10 years I have been operating the R300.? Yes, 316 stainless would be the ideal case but given that we don't put these in the water that often and always rinse them off after dives, I would not have a problem with using 302 SS.? While 302 stainless steel is prone to pitting in saltwater, the consequences of failure are low.? If pitting occurs to the point that the spring breaks, you lose some support against the weight of the hatch.? This is not a big deal. It is not worth spending excessively on the 316SS for this application. Best Cliff On Tuesday, September 30, 2025 at 07:39:00 AM CDT, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All Im struggling to get hatch springs made at a decent price. Has anyone used 302 stainless in a salt water environment.? I know its not the right material, and not supposed to be used in salt water, but they are so much cheaper and readily available. I could possibly coat them in some sort of lacquer or even just replace them every dive. They really are that much cheaper. Im still trying to get 316. Anyone used 302 springs in the sea?? Did they disintegrate??? 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Rick From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 30 14:58:01 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:58:01 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 302 v 316 stainless for springs In-Reply-To: <1513881012.2271849.1759237962253@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1513881012.2271849.1759237962253@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey James, I think you'll be fine with that grade as long as you wash it well after every dive. It will haze like some other grades above it but the haze is only on the surface unless it was never washed but for the cost of the 316-L, I would think that 302 is OK. If the haze gets really bad, you could pickle them but would have to take them off of course for that. Rick On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:13?AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > James, your dive environment is different from most psubbers, being > exclusively salt water. I don't have any experience with using 302 > stainless steel for hatch springs, but for both the R300 and R400, I use spring-tempered > steel wire, ASTM A229, that I have power-coated. This has not been an > issue for the 10 years I have been operating the R300. Yes, 316 stainless > would be the ideal case but given that we don't put these in the water that > often and always rinse them off after dives, I would not have a problem > with using 302 SS. While 302 stainless steel is prone to pitting in > saltwater, the consequences of failure are low. If pitting occurs to the > point that the spring breaks, you lose some support against the weight of > the hatch. This is not a big deal. It is not worth spending excessively on > the 316SS for this application. > > Best > > Cliff > > On Tuesday, September 30, 2025 at 07:39:00 AM CDT, James Frankland via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi All > > Im struggling to get hatch springs made at a decent price. > > Has anyone used 302 stainless in a salt water environment. I know its not > the right material, and not supposed to be used in salt water, but they are > so much cheaper and readily available. > > I could possibly coat them in some sort of lacquer or even just replace > them every dive. They really are that much cheaper. > > Im still trying to get 316. > > Anyone used 302 springs in the sea? 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Rick On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:27?AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Feb 11-14. Keep an eye on the web site for updates. > > > > > > > On Monday, September 29, 2025 at 06:26:31 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > What was the date and location in Florida of the Convention? I will make > this one as I would like to put some faces with the names and help out > however I can. > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 30 16:46:37 2025 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 20:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2026 convention. In-Reply-To: <1ace01dc1fa1$13531540$39f93fc0$@gmail.com> References: <1ace01dc1fa1$13531540$39f93fc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1488735910.2490608.1759265197371@mail.yahoo.com> Looking forward to meeting you Rick.? We've got a few overseas members planning to attend so this will be a good one to meet folks who normally only participate from afar. In preparation, February is peak tourist season for Florida in general and the Florida Keys in particular.? I'm waiting to hear back from a couple of hotels on pricing but due to the time of year this may be an every-man-for-himself situation for lodging.? If you can find a good rate that you are happy with I would go ahead and book it since I do not expect we are going to get some massive discount that would make it worth waiting for.? I did an Airbnb search and found some four-bedroom houses for rent in the area that would cost less than staying at a hotel if we can group some folks together to share those costs, so that may be a good alternative.? Doug Suhr's house on Lower Matecumbe island at the southern end of Islamorada will be our daily congregation point, so if you can find something close to there you will have a shorter commute and less time in local traffic.? Further south, the upper part of Marathon key is about 30 minutes from Doug's house so finding lodging in the mid-Keys will work as well.? Unfortunately, most of the restaurants and other amenities we will be patronizing are located in Islamorada so lodging any further south than upper Marathon could result in an hour or so daily commute. Here's some other preliminary information: 1) There's only one road in/out of the Keys so expect and plan for traffic your entire stay.? Regardless of direction; accidents and/or construction can result in long delays. 2) On our website I have provided links to Google maps that shows average travel times for Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, and Key West airports.? If you are traveling through FLL or MIA and have a choice, try to avoid road travel at peak commuter times (7-10am) and (4-8pm).? Although Miami traffic is almost always congested, these peak times can result in particularly slow travel speeds.? If you have no choice, throw on your favorite music or talk radio and just enjoy the experience.? Keep your cool, you'll get here.? Give particular attention to your return times so you don't risk missing your flight. 3) Flights to Key West International can sometimes be cheaper than Miami depending upon the airline and is worth looking into.? It gives you the option of hanging out in Key West for a day or two if you've never been there, and is a less stressful drive to the upper keys even though it's a good 1.5 to 2 hour drive on a good day. 4) Typical February air temps are mid 70's (23C) with water temps about the same.? There should be no need to pack winter garments however there is always a breeze coming off the ocean and at night a sweatshirt or sweater can come in handy. More information provided as it becomes available.? If you have questions, ask so we can help you plan. Jon