[PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT Pump

Alan James via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Wed Aug 16 05:35:48 EDT 2023 

Hugh,I can remember Paul Moorhouse sourcing a pump & motor for ballasting as he commented on my post when I bought the Karcher. Paul is either on the Submersibles or Psub facebook site.I was getting about 11 LPM with the wand off the pressure washer.Alan
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  On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 at 9:44 am, via Personal_Submersibles<personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:   Alan, karcher water pump is very low lpm  I am wanting 40 lpm at 200 psi for
1.5kw motor at 1800 rpm.
Pump hp simple calc = rpm x 15/63000+psi x gpm/1460  
I am wanting to know if anyone has actually done it with a pump for VBT and
what works best.  As back-up I have air but my VBT tanks are 40 ltr each
fore and aft.  Vance? Any comments? 

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Regarding hose/tube I have found that there is a DN2 hose 1/12" ID nom.
(.083" 2.1mm) WP 630 bar which is 0.2" OD (5mm OD) that is really good for
so many purposes as it has low volume for air comp, easy to bend in tight
places etc etc.  We used to use 3/16"  5,000 psi but in many cases we have
changed over.  Chs, Hugh. 

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 That's interesting.? I calculated you would I would go from 3000 psig to
2,832 psig from a 80 scf tank at 400 feet for four MD-101 thrusters alone.?
2,250 is a bit lower than expected.? Are these MK 101's ?? Are you using the
air in this scuba tank for anything else?? My calc does not take into
account tubing connecting the regulator to thrusters.? How many liner feet
of tubing do you have and what size?
Best

    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:47:16 AM CDT, hank pronk via
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 Cliff, the pressure in my 80 cu tank dropped to 2250 from 3000 to supply
the 4 motors to 400 feet. ?Hank

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?Thanks Hank, look forward to any videos.Alan

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 Excellent!
Cliff
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:53:29 AM CDT, hank pronk via
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 Also to confirm, all four motors are water free.?Hank

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?Thanks Hank, look forward to any videos.Alan

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 David, I will send you pictures of the system connections on FB
messenger.Hank
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023, 04:38:01 PM MDT, David Colombo via
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 Hank do you have a diagram on your air comp system you could share. I'm
adding external hp air tanks to the VAST and trying to figure out the
plumbing and where the second stage reg would be located.David On Sat, Aug
12, 2023, 8:47 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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Cliff, the pressure in my 80 cu tank dropped to 2250 from 3000 to supply the
4 motors to 400 feet. ?Hank

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?Thanks Hank, look forward to any videos.Alan

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Hugh,Years ago I bought a Karcher 36V battery powered car wash water blaster
with a piston pump that is touted as being corrosion resistant.I think the
pressure was 750psi.I saw this item with a higher psi but not sure if its
corrosion
resistant.https://www.kaercher.com/int/overview-battery-products.html
It may be a product you mightn't have thought of.Ali may have the pump for
this unit.Alan?

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  On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 9:58 am, via
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Hi Guys

 ?

What make of pump is best for VBT water transfer in/out for 250 psi 1.5 kw.

I am looking at a gear pump 1.5kw Oberdorfer 944 Bronze.? These are only
rated for 10 bar.? I tried an hydraulic gear pump 30cc where I had a
stainless and bronze gear set made up but the aluminium body corroded form
the trials and I just found that they had used steel backed sleeve bearings.

 ?

Regards,

Hugh
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