[PSUBS-MAILIST] Vessel for hire - subs as unique watercraft

[Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles]

Yeah, and maybe Sean said it above as well but the sub has to be built to
ABS specs I believe here in the US which I am not doing as it would double,
or more, the cost of the build plus I don't plan to use it commercially.
One way some people get around it when you accept money from the public is
to be in the form of a donation but not sure how that would play out if
someone was killed and the family took you to court.
Rick

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:53 PM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Submersible vessels for hire are subject to the same legal requirements as
> other vessels, with the exception of construction standards /
> classification. Crewing requirements are still set by tonnage (which is a
> measure of commercially relevant volume). Here in Canada, a certificate of
> competency as master up to a particular tonnage limit would work exactly
> the same way as for surface vessels, but a submersible endorsement is
> attained by also having an accredited commercial diving qualification of
> any type (restricted or unrestricted surface supply, or occupational
> SCUBA). USCG requirements vary a bit from the Canadian ones. My master
> certificate is good only up to 60 GRT. In the states I think you guys start
> at 100 if I'm not mistaken. In any case, any vessel operating in a
> commercial capacity must meet construction standards, must be fully in
> compliance with the International Regulations for the Prevention of
> Collisions at Sea, must be crewed according to regulations for its tonnage
> and power plant, and must pass any relevant Coast Guard / DOT inspections.
> I think you would have a tough time operating commercially without
> insurance for the purpose, which is likely dependent on an ABS / GL / DNV
> or what have you classification. The other route of course is to pull a
> Karl Stanley and change legal jurisdictions.
>
> Sean
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Oct. 9, 2019, 20:03, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Whilst recently enjoying a fine cigar and outstanding bourbon, five sub
> owners sat around a bonfire at Raystown Lake, Pennsylvania and contemplated
> US Coast Guard requirements for carrying passengers. Especially paying
> passengers. Does one need a Captain's License to do so in a submarine?
>
> The distinction arose around diving in lakes or diving in waters normally
> patrolled by the Coast Guard. Further, what does piloting a boat on the
> surface have in common with piloting a boat that purposefully sinks and
> comes back up?
>
> Thoughts? Internationally friends, what is your experience?
>
> Brian
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