[PSUBS-MAILIST] Motors filled with OIL
Alan via Personal_Submersibles
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Tue Jan 9 14:03:50 EST 2018
Tim,
I didn't go much more than 30ft in it. It was really a concept prototype
for my 1atm. I will dive it again but with my new thrusters & motor controllers.
In theory it could go as deep a diver could on air.
Alan
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> On 10/01/2018, at 5:48 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Alan,
> What was the max depth that you tested your ambient sub?
> Tim
>
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> Hi Tarek,
> these were brushed. There are very few inexpensive brushless trolling motors
> around.
> One or two Chinese trolling motors I know of but generally a lot more
> expensive.
> There is nothing in the way of electronics inside the brushed motors.
> The main thing you have got to look out for if you want to either oil or air
> compensate electronics is the big cylindrical electrolytic capacitors. You
> get these in motor controllers. What pressure they crush at I am not sure.
> Would be a good experiment to put a bunch of various sized capacitors in a
> pressure test chamber. You can pot around them with resin to strengthen
> them.
> I am making my own brushless thrusters from brushless sensored outrunner
> motors, & oil compensating them.
> Alan
>
>
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>>> On 9/01/2018, at 9:04 PM, Tarek Harb via Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi Alan,
>>
>> Were these Trolling Motors Brushless or not and did they have any
>> Electronic components inside them? Can I still Air Compensate them if
>> they have Electronics inside?
>> Thanks
>>
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>> Tarek,
>> I built a very small dry ambient submarine using inexpensive Chinese
>> electric trolling motors. I air compensated the motors & hull using
>> slightly modified octopus regulators.
>> The motors for my next submersible will be oil compensated.
>> My project is under ambient & Alan James on the psub projects page.
>> Let me know if you need any more help.
>> Regards Alan
>>
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>>>> On 8/01/2018, at 11:53 PM, Tarek Harb via Personal_Submersibles
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I am building a Dry Ambient Submarine and I been having trouble
>>> finding a suitable Motors for it, as I don't want to spend 1000s of $
>>> on
>> each motor.
>>> I am sure that the topic has been brought up many times before, but I
>>> would like to enquire about the best Trolling Motor that can be
>>> filled with OIL in order to withstand 40 meters Depth of Water.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help in this matter.
>>>
>>> Tarek
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>>> 1. Re: batteries (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) 2. new
>>> gears (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: new gears (irox
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>>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:34:36 +0000
>>> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles
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>>> Hi Rick,
>>>
>>> Yes, the standard Min kota controller has reverse. Its just a
>>> potentiometer on a knob.
>>>
>>> I went for 24v min kota rip tide 80's. Wish I had gone for the 101's
>>> to be honest.
>>>
>>> I have the aft thruster rigged with the controller at the side of the
>>> seat, so I set the power and trundle off. I tend to use the aft
>>> thruster for surface driving or slow seabed cruising, so its ok where
>>> it is. Then I use the side thrusters while submerged for manouvering.
>>>
>>> Works ok for me.
>>>
>>> The pots on the controllers are on a ribbon cable. I didn't dare cut
>>> them to extend to anything more useful, although I suspect it would work.
>>>
>>> To be honest, that's why I changed the side thrusters to simple
>>> on\off relays. The pots were to complicated to move.
>>>
>>> Got a couple of links here on my site.
>>> regards
>>> James
>>>
>>> This was how I had it originally. Was awkward to use side thrusters.
>>>
>>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19613.htm
>>>
>>> Main power panel.
>>>
>>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19348.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize that the Minn-Kota controllers had a reverse setting?
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:39 AM, James Frankland via
>>>> Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have continuous duty ones at a suitable current rating. Cant
>>>>> remember off hand. But I don't have the reversing because I can
>>>>> rotate the side motors for reverse. So I just have 1 relay per motor.
>>>>> Super simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also have the standard minn kota controller on the rear thruster.
>>>>> which allows reverse and speed control. All 3 items all fit into
>>>>> one box with a cooling fan for good measure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, cant recommend anything other than the simple setup I have.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31 October 2017 at 11:55, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>> I am using continues duty relays and it takes 4 relays per motor.
>>>>>> On my vertical thrusters I am using reversing relays (single
>>>>>> relay) but they
>>>>> are
>>>>>> not continues duty, witch is okay. I want to simplify by using
>>>>>> reversing relays (continuous duty) on the main motors. I thought
>>>>>> maybe you already have that and could recommend what works.
>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 5:14:50 AM MDT, James Frankland via
>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Hank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cant remember off the top of my head now. I just had a quick
>>>>>> search and I cant find them. They are just standard high current
>>>>>> 24v pots of some sort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seem to remember they were similar to yours. Or some that you
>>>>>> had
>>>>> used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 October 2017 at 10:25, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>>> What type of relays are you using?
>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 3:10:27 AM MDT, James Frankland via
>>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi rick,
>>>>>>> I'm here. What do you want to know? I'm using minn Kota rip
>>>>>>> tide 80's
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> 24v. 2x banks of 4 agm's. These are wired in 2 pairs of
>>>>>>> batteries in series with both pairs connected to the main
>>>>>>> terminals. I have a standard
>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>> switch so I can use each bank separately or both together. I
>>>>>>> used heavy tinned marine cable. Can't remember the thickness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find my motors a little underpowered, but other than that it
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aft thruster has the minn Kota controller, I originally had those
>>>>>>> on the sides but found it a pain, so I changed those to have just
>>>>>>> on/off
>>>>> relays.
>>>>>>> Much better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 30 October 2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>> Yes there are 2 separate pods each containing 4 each 12v
>>>>>>> batteries , 3
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the 36v for thrusters & 1 for the onboard systems.
>>>>>>> DAN H built his per plans and specs and is running his stern
>>>>>>> thruster
>>>>> off
>>>>>>> one side & and sides off the other side but he is not running
>>>>> Minn-Kotas.
>>>>>>> I am hopping James Franklin will chime in as he is using the
>>>>>>> Minn-Kotas
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:13 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick,
>>>>>>> I am not familiar with the k350 battery set up, but are there two
>>>>>>> battery pods with 3 x 12V batteries in each pod?
>>>>>>> What are the other k350 owners doing? Do they run the 3 thrusters
>>>>>>> off the 2 battery pods similtaneously i.e. connect both pods in
>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>> If you did this then you would only be drawing half the amps off
>>>>>>> each battery pod, than you would be if you were using one.
>>>>>>> I wonder what traction batteries mobility scooters use?
>>>>>>> Cheers Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2017, at 9:27 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am trying to size my wire for the 36v side from where the
>>>>>>>> power comes into the sub to selector switch to hot buss bar and
>>>>>>>> was wondering if
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> was something that someone could answer. Also I was told by
>>>>>>>> Minn-Kota that they recommend group 27 marine batteries.
>>>>>>>> I have a couple of deep cycle (marine batteries) on my boat and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> 550 cca and 125 amps reserve capacity.
>>>>>>>> My plan is to run all three Minn-kota thrusters off of one side
>>>>>>>> at a
>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> and their max draw is 46 amps max so there is 138 amps if all
>>>>>>>> three thrusters are wide open. I doubt I would ever have all
>>>>>>>> three maxed for more than short spurts but want to be repaired
>>>>>>>> for the worst case scenario like if I am bucking a strong
>>>>>>>> current.
>>>>>>>> I also will be running 6 outside LED lights off the same bank
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> though
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can dim them and selectively use them, all on at max would be
>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>> 16.6
>>>>>>>> amp draw as well. Now most of the time I will be using the
>>>>>>>> thrusters at minimal draw and not all 3 at the same time and the
>>>>>>>> 6 lights will probably never all be on at the same time.
>>>>>>>> If everything was wide open, I would be pulling about 155 amps
>>>>>>>> from a bank that has a reserve capacity of 125 so it would
>>>>>>>> deplete the bank rather fast and may even damage the batteries
>>>>>>>> due to a quick drain? So,,, first question...would 2 OTT wire be
>>>>>>>> sufficient from battery source to bus
>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> long as I am not running full tilt on everythig and second...
>>>>>>>> since I have to stick with a lead acid system due to design, can
>>>>>>>> I get a group 27 battery that can deliver much more than the 125
>>>>>>>> amps I have on my boat?
>>>>>>>> I also have the option of putting the battery selector switch on
>>>>>>>> both banks if I have to but would rather deplete one bank at a
>>>>>>>> time if can.
>>>>>>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>>>>>> Rick
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>>> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:30:48 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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>>> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I
>>> had no idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also,
>>> as I have just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to
>>> complete the connection. ?I might have it put together today for a
>>> test.Thank you againHank
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>>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:26:09 +1300
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>>> Well done Ian.
>>> I have posted this before. It is of 3d propeller testing done here in
>>> Auckland.
>>> Their preference in the end was polycarbonate!
>>>
>>> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160302-wooden-3d-printed-boat-prop-ma
>>> k ers-pu t-filaments-to-the-test-with-surprising-results.html
>>> Cheers Alan
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>> On 3/11/2017, at 8:06 AM, irox via Personal_Submersibles
>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great! Glad they got there safely.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if they work. If so I'll print up a slightly higher
>>>> quality
>>> set (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing). I'll
>>> also look into printing a set in nylon.
>>>>
>>>> You're most welcome. Thanks for all the videos.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Ian.
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>>>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>>> Sent: Nov 2, 2017 11:30 AM
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>>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>> The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! I had no
>>>> idea
>>> the fine detail capability. The timing is perfect also, as I have
>>> just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete the
>>> connection. I might have it put together today for a test.
>>>> Thank you again
>>>> Hank
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>>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC)
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>>> Ian,The gears seem pretty tough, and I am sure they will stand up due
>>> ?to the thickness. ?They machine nicely also, I was worried when I
>>> put the gear in the lathe chuck, but is was fine. ?I machined the
>>> bore out so it would slide nicely. ?Pitty I don't have the wrist
>>> drive motor yet
>> ;-( ?Hank
>>> On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 1:06:29 PM MDT, irox via
>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>>> #yiv3031387229 #yiv3031387229 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv3031387229 Great!?
>>> Glad they got there safely.
>>>
>>> Let me know if they work.? If so I'll print up a slightly higher
>>> quality set (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing).?
>>> I'll also look into printing a set in nylon.
>>>
>>> You're most welcome.? Thanks for all the videos.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> ?Ian.
>>>
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>>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>> Sent: Nov 2, 2017 11:30 AM
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>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
>>>
>>> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I
>>> had no idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also,
>>> as I have just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to
>>> complete the connection. ?I might have it put together today for a
>>> test.Thank you againHank
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