[PSUBS-MAILIST] Motors filled with OIL
Tarek Harb via Personal_Submersibles
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Tue Jan 9 03:04:54 EST 2018
hi Alan,
Were these Trolling Motors Brushless or not and did they have any Electronic
components inside them? Can I still Air Compensate them if they have
Electronics inside?
Thanks
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Tarek,
I built a very small dry ambient submarine using inexpensive Chinese
electric trolling motors. I air compensated the motors & hull using slightly
modified octopus regulators.
The motors for my next submersible will be oil compensated.
My project is under ambient & Alan James on the psub projects page.
Let me know if you need any more help.
Regards Alan
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> On 8/01/2018, at 11:53 PM, Tarek Harb via Personal_Submersibles
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> Hi guys,
> I am building a Dry Ambient Submarine and I been having trouble
> finding a suitable Motors for it, as I don't want to spend 1000s of $ on
each motor.
> I am sure that the topic has been brought up many times before, but I
> would like to enquire about the best Trolling Motor that can be filled
> with OIL in order to withstand 40 meters Depth of Water.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any help in this matter.
>
> Tarek
>
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> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:34:36 +0000
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> Hi Rick,
>
> Yes, the standard Min kota controller has reverse. Its just a
> potentiometer on a knob.
>
> I went for 24v min kota rip tide 80's. Wish I had gone for the 101's
> to be honest.
>
> I have the aft thruster rigged with the controller at the side of the
> seat, so I set the power and trundle off. I tend to use the aft
> thruster for surface driving or slow seabed cruising, so its ok where
> it is. Then I use the side thrusters while submerged for manouvering.
>
> Works ok for me.
>
> The pots on the controllers are on a ribbon cable. I didn't dare cut
> them to extend to anything more useful, although I suspect it would work.
>
> To be honest, that's why I changed the side thrusters to simple on\off
> relays. The pots were to complicated to move.
>
> Got a couple of links here on my site.
> regards
> James
>
> This was how I had it originally. Was awkward to use side thrusters.
>
> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19613.htm
>
> Main power panel.
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> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19348.htm
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> On 31/10/2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> I didn't realize that the Minn-Kota controllers had a reverse setting?
>> Rick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:39 AM, James Frankland via
>> Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have continuous duty ones at a suitable current rating. Cant
>>> remember off hand. But I don't have the reversing because I can
>>> rotate the side motors for reverse. So I just have 1 relay per motor.
>>> Super simple.
>>>
>>> Also have the standard minn kota controller on the rear thruster.
>>> which allows reverse and speed control. All 3 items all fit into
>>> one box with a cooling fan for good measure.
>>>
>>> Sorry, cant recommend anything other than the simple setup I have.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 October 2017 at 11:55, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi James,
>>>> I am using continues duty relays and it takes 4 relays per motor.
>>>> On my vertical thrusters I am using reversing relays (single relay)
>>>> but they
>>> are
>>>> not continues duty, witch is okay. I want to simplify by using
>>>> reversing relays (continuous duty) on the main motors. I thought
>>>> maybe you already have that and could recommend what works.
>>>> Hank
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 5:14:50 AM MDT, James Frankland via
>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hank,
>>>>
>>>> I cant remember off the top of my head now. I just had a quick
>>>> search and I cant find them. They are just standard high current
>>>> 24v pots of some sort.
>>>>
>>>> I seem to remember they were similar to yours. Or some that you
>>>> had
>>> used.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On 31 October 2017 at 10:25, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>> What type of relays are you using?
>>>>> Hank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 3:10:27 AM MDT, James Frankland via
>>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi rick,
>>>>> I'm here. What do you want to know? I'm using minn Kota rip tide
>>>>> 80's
>>> at
>>>>> 24v. 2x banks of 4 agm's. These are wired in 2 pairs of batteries
>>>>> in series with both pairs connected to the main terminals. I have
>>>>> a standard
>>> heavy
>>>>> switch so I can use each bank separately or both together. I used
>>>>> heavy tinned marine cable. Can't remember the thickness.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find my motors a little underpowered, but other than that it
>>>>> seems
>>> fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aft thruster has the minn Kota controller, I originally had those
>>>>> on the sides but found it a pain, so I changed those to have just
>>>>> on/off
>>> relays.
>>>>> Much better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 30 October 2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> Yes there are 2 separate pods each containing 4 each 12v batteries
>>>>> , 3
>>> for
>>>>> the 36v for thrusters & 1 for the onboard systems.
>>>>> DAN H built his per plans and specs and is running his stern
>>>>> thruster
>>> off
>>>>> one side & and sides off the other side but he is not running
>>> Minn-Kotas.
>>>>> I am hopping James Franklin will chime in as he is using the
>>>>> Minn-Kotas
>>> in
>>>>> his.
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:13 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick,
>>>>> I am not familiar with the k350 battery set up, but are there two
>>>>> battery pods with 3 x 12V batteries in each pod?
>>>>> What are the other k350 owners doing? Do they run the 3 thrusters
>>>>> off the 2 battery pods similtaneously i.e. connect both pods in
>>> parallel.
>>>>> If you did this then you would only be drawing half the amps off
>>>>> each battery pod, than you would be if you were using one.
>>>>> I wonder what traction batteries mobility scooters use?
>>>>> Cheers Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/10/2017, at 9:27 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to size my wire for the 36v side from where the power
>>>>>> comes into the sub to selector switch to hot buss bar and was
>>>>>> wondering if
>>> that
>>>>>> was something that someone could answer. Also I was told by
>>>>>> Minn-Kota that they recommend group 27 marine batteries.
>>>>>> I have a couple of deep cycle (marine batteries) on my boat and
>>>>>> they
>>> are
>>>>>> 550 cca and 125 amps reserve capacity.
>>>>>> My plan is to run all three Minn-kota thrusters off of one side
>>>>>> at a
>>> time
>>>>>> and their max draw is 46 amps max so there is 138 amps if all
>>>>>> three thrusters are wide open. I doubt I would ever have all
>>>>>> three maxed for more than short spurts but want to be repaired
>>>>>> for the worst case scenario like if I am bucking a strong
>>>>>> current.
>>>>>> I also will be running 6 outside LED lights off the same bank and
>>> though
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can dim them and selectively use them, all on at max would be
>>>>>> about a
>>>>>> 16.6
>>>>>> amp draw as well. Now most of the time I will be using the
>>>>>> thrusters at minimal draw and not all 3 at the same time and the
>>>>>> 6 lights will probably never all be on at the same time.
>>>>>> If everything was wide open, I would be pulling about 155 amps
>>>>>> from a bank that has a reserve capacity of 125 so it would
>>>>>> deplete the bank rather fast and may even damage the batteries
>>>>>> due to a quick drain? So,,, first question...would 2 OTT wire be
>>>>>> sufficient from battery source to bus
>>> bar
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> long as I am not running full tilt on everythig and second...
>>>>>> since I have to stick with a lead acid system due to design, can
>>>>>> I get a group 27 battery that can deliver much more than the 125
>>>>>> amps I have on my boat?
>>>>>> I also have the option of putting the battery selector switch on
>>>>>> both banks if I have to but would rather deplete one bank at a
>>>>>> time if can.
>>>>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>>>> Rick
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> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I had
> no idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also, as I
> have just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete
> the connection. ?I might have it put together today for a test.Thank
> you againHank
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> Well done Ian.
> I have posted this before. It is of 3d propeller testing done here in
> Auckland.
> Their preference in the end was polycarbonate!
>
> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160302-wooden-3d-printed-boat-prop-mak
> ers-pu t-filaments-to-the-test-with-surprising-results.html
> Cheers Alan
> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On 3/11/2017, at 8:06 AM, irox via Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>>
>> Great! Glad they got there safely.
>>
>> Let me know if they work. If so I'll print up a slightly higher
>> quality
> set (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing). I'll
> also look into printing a set in nylon.
>>
>> You're most welcome. Thanks for all the videos.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ian.
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>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>> Sent: Nov 2, 2017 11:30 AM
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>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
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>> Hi Ian,
>> The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! I had no
>> idea
> the fine detail capability. The timing is perfect also, as I have
> just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete the
> connection. I might have it put together today for a test.
>> Thank you again
>> Hank
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> Ian,The gears seem pretty tough, and I am sure they will stand up due
> ?to the thickness. ?They machine nicely also, I was worried when I put
> the gear in the lathe chuck, but is was fine. ?I machined the bore out
> so it would slide nicely. ?Pitty I don't have the wrist drive motor yet
;-( ?Hank
> On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 1:06:29 PM MDT, irox via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> #yiv3031387229 #yiv3031387229 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv3031387229 Great!?
> Glad they got there safely.
>
> Let me know if they work.? If so I'll print up a slightly higher
> quality set (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing).?
> I'll also look into printing a set in nylon.
>
> You're most welcome.? Thanks for all the videos.
>
> Cheers!
> ?Ian.
>
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> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I had
> no idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also, as I
> have just finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete
> the connection. ?I might have it put together today for a test.Thank
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