[PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)

Thu Feb 22 17:22:05 EST 2018

 To Old?  I had the pleasure of meeting an elderly gentleman that was building a sailboat.  I was driving down the road one afternoon and and noticed a steel hull protruding from a shop.  Of coarse I had to investigate, I knocked on the door to the house and this little tiny OLD fellow comes out and I ask him about the boat.  He was in absolute heaven that someone was interested in his project.  He gave me the grand tour and told me he was 86 or so, I can't really remember.  He told me he was going to sail around the world in this boat.  So clearly your never to old, sadly he died and the boat was scrapped.Hank
    On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 2:59:17 PM MST, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:  

 Hah, Ian, you described me! I too have been following this particular sub forever, she's my hands-down favorite along with Lula, which of course is no coincidence. I grant she's a relatively complex design because being diesel electric and having kit like an on-board compressor. If you needed to get that diesel out and to a mechanic I'm not sure if it would even be possible to pull it all the way through the sub and out the opening for the bow dome. Maybe you'd have to cut the hull in half temporarily, like the Navy does when they have to service something too large to come out through a hatch. But I certainly don't think you would be buying any design flaws. On the contrary, she's a masterpiece. And the complexity of the diesel comes with a 200 mile range, so there's justification. I see no problem at all with the boat, and if you flip through all the way to the photos of the new aluminum trailer, it looks to me like she could be launched from a good boat ramp without craning in. I think the reason for the low price is just that she's not the right sort of sub for a luxury yacht, and is too daunting for members of the general public. But don't worry, I've known you for many years and can attest you are not in any way representative of the general public. 
:)
Alec  
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:23 PM, irox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

I've been in love with the S101 for almost 2 decades, I've looked into buying it before, following it's journey/ownership over that time.

But, I get this sense of dread that I would be buying somebody else's problems, complexity, design decisions (and possibly design flaws), deferred maintenance, misuse, etc..  Or maybe that's because I'm spending more time fixing used cars these days than working on my K250 restomod...  Only if I was younger and less experienced (or jaded). :-)

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>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2018 6:08 AM
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)
>
>would be nice to see it in our community and in action.
>
>On 22 February 2018 at 14:08, James Frankland
><jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com > wrote:
>> Hank, why don't you make them a silly offer.  $30K or whatever you
>> think.  You never know they may take it.  Probably not now, but when
>> they really need to get rid of it..
>>
>> On 22 February 2018 at 12:00, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>> Alan,  the price is great considering what it would cost to build from
>>> scratch.  I still think it is to much, only because one day it will need to
>>> be sold.  The fact that they can't sell it at 80K  speaks to the market
>>> value.  It is only worth what someone will pay for it.
>>> Hugh raises a very good point about it being a sea sick machine.  I think a
>>> big lake is a perfect place for it.
>>> Hank
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 9:46:16 PM MST, T Novak via
>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, my budget keeps under $15000cdn.  No joy.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:57 PM
>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hank,
>>>
>>> Tim talks about his plans for an underwater habitat. Something like that
>>> would
>>>
>>> be great for the price & it would be mobile! Maybe you could go halves!
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/02/2018, at 3:40 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perfect for a huge lake, park in a marina under cover.  It can be launched
>>> from the trailer and towed behind my 5 ton.  The only thing I don't like is
>>> the depth rating.  Still, if the price drops to my comfort zone, I will buy
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:19:26 PM MST, Hugh Fulton via
>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Crane in, crane out, time to get to diving spot and back, no surface
>>> facility.  Too big for super-yachts. Too small to be stable in a sea.   Sea
>>> sickness rolling etc. Submersibles need to be transportable or else
>>> submarines.  Ask Carsten.  At least his is Autonomous.  High metacentre can
>>> be hell for rolling even in a slight sea.  That is my best guess.  Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2018 1:45 PM
>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what seems to be the problem?   Maybe sea keeping issues?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote:
>>>
>>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
>>> To: emile via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:54:03 +0000 (UTC)
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I have spoken with the sales people a couple times and I am getting the
>>> feeling that they have no idea what they have there.  They are learning that
>>> it is very difficult to sell an uncertified sub.  It also seems like the sub
>>> has a bad reputation from when it belonged to Sea Shepard.  I think the sub
>>> is fantastic.
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 1:24:39 AM MST, emile via
>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> Corrosion or ageing of the domes could be a reason for the de-rating.
>>>
>>> Br, Emile
>>>
>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org]
>>> Namens irox via Personal_Submersibles
>>> Verzonden: woensdag 21 februari 2018 5:39
>>> Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs. org
>>> Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)
>>>
>>>
>>> For a "ready to dive" diesel electric, $80K sounds like a deal:
>>> http://www.boattrader.com/ listing/1987-marlin-32-diesel- electric-s101-manned
>>> -submarine-102153353
>>> Lots of pictures.  I like submarine pictures.
>>>
>>> More here as well:
>>> https://www.popyachts.com/ submersible-vessels-for-sale/ marlin-32-diesel-elec
>>> tric-s101-manned-submarine-in- vero-beach-florida-40442
>>>
>>> Seems it has been de-rated from 1000ft operational depth to "max operating
>>> depth is 300 feet".
>>> Although the wording they use doesn't make perfect sense.  For example, it
>>> claims the collapse depth is 1250ft, but I think they are confused with test
>>> depth (per ABS, 125% of operational depth).
>>> The other ABS claims don't match with my understand of ABS rules either.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it can still be rated to 1000ft.
>>>
>>> Regardless, this is a beautiful craft, and I am enjoying the (~500?!)
>>> pictures.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Ian.
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