This is already a media circus, irregardless of what actually happened.
This could very well be an event that draws the unwanted attention of the
politicians, like we were recently talking about. Do we have any kind of
public statement prepared to separate ourselves from this mess? Any
reporters contact you Jon?
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4. Re: UC3 Nautilus (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles)
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:38:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles
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I'm not sure I see any rationalization to sinking the sub to hide evidence
of a crime in such shallow water that it can be easily reached and
recovered. ?So I'm suspect of the authorities theorizing that he scuttled
the vessel intentionally for nefarious reasons. ?However,?Peter did some
unconventional things, shall we say, with that sub. ?I recall seeing a
video of him swapping out a viewport while it was under water. ?I also
recall that shortly after first launch when he tried to submerge next to a
pier, the aft flooded but the bow did not which caused the vessel to pitch
at about a 75 degree angle with the aft end on the bottom. ?The conning
tower was underwater and the only reason they were able to recover without
flooding the sub at that time was because there was a hatch in the fore end
that just barely sat above water level. ?It's not clear to me if Nautilus
was a vessel that could be adequately operated effectively by just one
person. ?There was a history of happenst!
ance and perhaps it caught up with him again.
Of course none of that explains the missing reporter.
Jon
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 12:18 PM, "MerlinSub at t-online.de via
Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
Hi Jon, is still a little to early - but this statement below concerns me
a lot and looks not so good:
----
Kristian Isbak, who had responded to the navy?s call to help locate the
ship, sailed out immediately Friday and saw Madsen standing wearing his
trademark military fatigues in the submarine?s tower while it was still
afloat.
?He then climbed down inside the submarine and there was then some kind of
air flow coming up and the submarine started to sink,? Isbak said. ?[He]
came up again and stayed in the tower until water came into it?, before
swimming to a nearby boat as the submarine sank, he added.
----
If this was just a stunt it will cost hunderthousands for the raising of
the wreck, the investigation , the search mission with ships and
helicopters etc.etc.? I think we can rule this out.
I think in the next days we will learn if the ballasttanks valves were open
or close and working or not.
vbr Carsten
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From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Jon,
we had a case in N.Z. where a yachty was charged & convicted of the murder
of
two tourists who have never been found. Part of the evidence against him
was that
he had meticulously cleaned every centimetre of the inside of his yacht to
destroy
any DNA evidence. I suspect that this is what Peter was trying to achieve
by flooding
his sub. This event was shortly after radio contact was made & search
boats were
closing in on him.
As a publicity stunt you would have to have the missing girls family &
friends in on
it, otherwise it would be extremely cruel to them, & I can't see that
happening.
He didn't return to port as he said, prompting the search.
He didn't respond to radio contact initially, saying he had a temporary
radio failure.
He sunk his submarine after contact was made by the lighthouse & search
boats
were nearing him.
And the girl hasn't been able to be contacted or seen for 4 days.
I hope if he is guilty, that he just confesses, as it would be easier on
him & every
one else in the long run.
Very sad that someones talented daughter & friend has gone missing.
Alan
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> On 14/08/2017, at 6:38 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> roy
> I'm not sure I see any rationalization to sinking the sub to hide
evidence of a crime in such shallow water that it can be easily reached and
recovered. So I'm suspect of the authorities theorizing that he scuttled
the vessel intentionally for nefarious reasons. However, Peter did some
unconventional things, shall we say, with that sub. I recall seeing a
video of him swapping out a viewport while it was under water. Tw I also
recall that shortly after first launch when he tried to submerge next to a
pier, the aft flooded but the bow did not which caused the vessel to pitch
at about a 75 degree angle with the aft end on the bottom. The conning
tower was underwater and the only reason they were able to recover without
flooding the sub at that time was because there was a hatch in the fore end
that just barely sat above water level. It's not clear to me if Nautilus
was a vessel that could be adequately operated effectively by just one
person. There was a history of happ!
enstance and perhaps it caught up with him again.
>
> Of course none of that explains the missing reporter.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 12:18 PM, "MerlinSub at t-online.de via
Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jon, is still a little to early - but this statement below concerns me
a lot and looks not so good:
> ----
> Kristian Isbak, who had responded to the navy?s call to help locate the
ship, sailed out immediately Friday and saw Madsen standing wearing his
trademark military fatigues in the submarine?s tower while it was still
afloat.
>
> ?He then climbed down inside the submarine and there was then some kind
of air flow coming up and the submarine started to sink,? Isbak said. ?[He]
came up again and stayed in the tower until water came into it?, before
swimming to a nearby boat as the submarine sank, he added.
> ----
>
> If this was just a stunt it will cost hunderthousands for the raising of
the wreck, the investigation , the search mission with ships and
helicopters etc.etc. I think we can rule this out.
>
> I think in the next days we will learn if the ballasttanks valves were
open or close and working or not.
>
> vbr Carsten
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:06:47 -0400
From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UC3 Nautilus
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I hadn't thought of it from that angle, Alan. I had better stick to my
life of law and order.
Jon
On 8/13/2017 3:43 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> Jon,
> we had a case in N.Z. where a yachty was charged & convicted of the
> murder of
> two tourists who have never been found. Part of the evidence against
> him was that
> he had meticulously cleaned every centimetre of the inside of his
> yacht to destroy
> any DNA evidence. I suspect that this is what Peter was trying to
> achieve by flooding
> his sub. This event was shortly after radio contact was made & search
> boats were
> closing in on him.
> As a publicity stunt you would have to have the missing girls family &
> friends in on
> it, otherwise it would be extremely cruel to them, & I can't see that
> happening.
> He didn't return to port as he said, prompting the search.
> He didn't respond to radio contact initially, saying he had a
> temporary radio failure.
> He sunk his submarine after contact was made by the lighthouse &
> search boats
> were nearing him.
> And the girl hasn't been able to be contacted or seen for 4 days.
> I hope if he is guilty, that he just confesses, as it would be easier
> on him & every
> one else in the long run.
> Very sad that someones talented daughter & friend has gone missing.
> Alan
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:17:01 -0400
From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles
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To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UC3 Nautilus
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The news has reached an aerospace blog. The chap running it is usually
more willing to wait until all the information is in. In this case, the
idea that it was an "art project " has hit a sensitive nerve and he has
not waited before judging.
Seems an expensive way to commit a murder
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=35456
Kim Wall: Danish submarine was ?deliberately sunk?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40916787
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