[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 89

Tue Nov 22 08:10:06 EST 2016

To all.
When I started myu design I was at a 48" dia. hull. After reading the e-mails, I decided that I should go even bigger.
So my design grew to 72" dia. hull. My plate thickness is 1" and very expensive. Lucky for me I worked hard for a lot
of years so when I retired a few years back money was not a problem. I'm not saying that I rich, but even with the outlay
of money that this sub will be, I should be able to live comfortably. 
I have drawn the complete sub up in Autodesk Inventor and assembles it. I am however starting with a full sized mokeup.
I am 70 years old, I'm just hoping that I live long enough to get it done.
Jerry

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Jerry, I agree with Jim. My first full scale mock up of the hull and
consoles, found myself climbing up on my work bench on Sunday evening, the
family was upstairs in bed, my cell phone sitting on the work bench. I
climbed into the front pilot position, slid down into the seat, and my
moment of elation as to how it felt, turned into terror, as I discovered
that I could not stand up to get out. Apperently I neglected to measure the
distance from hip to knee, to bend and stand up. So using the only tool I
could reach, because I was sitting on it was my drill motor. I extracted
myself screw by screw until I could stand up. Hence the hatch is now a
bigger diameter, the hull is also bigger, and consoles have been
redesigned.  So I am a firm believer in full scale mockups.

Best Regards,
David Colombo
On Nov 21, 2016 6:41 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> You mentioned that you've made a lot of changes in your design over the
> past few months as we all do.  Of course that continues to happen during
> the build phase as well.
>
> Instead of beginning the build phase with the hull, I think it makes good
> sense to first construct all systems and components and install and test
> them on a full size mockup.  It's almost inevitable that the process of
> installing systems will cause you to modify the mockup hull, add or move
> penetrations, etc. which is a heck of a lot easier to do than modifying the
> real hull or having to accept limitations which could have been avoided.
>
> Another advantage is that once the hull is fabricated, it can go directly
> to interior and exterior paint and corrosion proofing.  Move the systems to
> the hull and you're getting close to done.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2016 6:42:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes:
>
> Sounds good Jerry,
> hope you document it on the psubs site.
> Sorry about all my typo errors in the last email. My Yahoo
> mail is running like a pig, & suddenly doesn't reproduce what
> I type etc.
> Alan
>
>
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> *From:* Jerry Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:34 PM
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> Alan,
> The research that I have done indicates that the Lithium Phosphate
> batteries do not have the thermal runaway
> that other Lithium batteries do. Also they last for up to 3000 cycles
> where lead acid batteries are much less,
> and that makes the cost lower. I am also waiting to see what develops in
> the lithium batteries.
> Just completed building a new poll shed for my build. Now I have to move
> my lathe and mill into place. I have put in an
> overhead lift that runs the entire length of the building.
> The first of my steel should be here in about two or three weeks.
> Jerry
>
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>   1. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 76
>       (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:31:52 +0000 (UTC)
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> Jerry,there are lots of submersible manufacturers using lithium
> batteries.Nuytco are now using them on there Deep Worker 2000.I have a 48V
> 40ah lifepo4 battery pack for testing my thrusters on.I am holding off from
> purchasing batteries for my sub build till the last minute, as thereare
> promising developments with Lithium Sulphur batteries. These have5 x the
> capacity of lithium iron batteries. Currently they don't demonstrate
> enoughcharging cycles to be used for electric vehicles, but there are
> $millions being pouredinto research on this problem by several large
> players throughout the World.Alan?
>
>       From: Jerry Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <
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> Hi all,
>
> I have been in the process of design for sub now for almost 9 months.
> I have been reading all the e-mails that come across and have changed my
> design
> many times over the course of the last months.
>
> I am planning on using Lithium Phosphate batteries for the power. Lower
> weight per unit, physical size, and power cycles.
> Has anyone tried this yet? What do you all think of this idea.
> Looking forward to seeing your opinions.
>
> Jerry Koontz
>
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> ?? ? ?(emile via Personal_Submersibles)
> ?? 2. Re: Looking at starting up a Submersible project
> ?? ? ?(Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles)
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> ?? ? ?(James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:20:35 +0100
> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles
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> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"
> ????????<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Welcome Ludwig,
>
> ?
>
> Good point to make a sgt.Peppers a little bigger. ?I rebfit it and dived
> with the sgt. Peppers. For both is 560 mm a bit cramped. 650-700 mm hull
> dia would be fine. Easy to make is capable for 300 ft.
>
> Always good to look to K250 or other plans ?to make a start.
>
> ?
>
> Regards, Emile van Essen
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> ?
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> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org]
> Namens via Personal_Submersibles
> Verzonden: maandag 21 november 2016 1:58
> Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible project
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> ?
>
> Hello all,
>
> ?
>
> I'm looking into building a one person submersible next year but need some
> help getting started. ?
>
> ?
>
> The plane is to build it around the size of the Sgt. Peppers submersible
> but a little bigger. ?(I want it smaller than the K-250). ?Also I'm looking
> at having a working depth at around 150-200 feet. ?Any suggestions on where
> to get started? ?Should I by the plans for the K-250 and make it smaller?
>
> ?
>
> I don't know if it helps or not but I'm located in Lawrence, Kansas. ?
>
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?(And I won't be the first person to build a submersible in
> Kansas because it looks like that there's a man (Scott Waters) from Salina,
> KS that built a k-350.)
>
> ?
>
> If you guys have any questions, I would be happy to answer those for you.
>
> ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ludwig Johanning
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> ?
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> I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the
> East Coast.
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> I think emile has a small ish boat requiring refurbishment for sale?
> Probably worth the cost of shipping it over the pond to not have to build
> from scratch.
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> On 21 November 2016 at 13:51, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <
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> > I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the
> > East Coast.
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> > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
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> That really doesn't help me much because I'm planning on moving across the
> pond in around two years!
>
>
> I'm looking at a small project that would teach me all the systems so when
> I move across the pond, I would like to build something along the Euronaut
> size or a tiny bit smaller.
>
>
> I've also debated if I should do a wet-sub instead because if I go that
> route, I wouldn't have to build a pressure hull. ?That would only limit me
> down to 130 foot allowed for recreational diving.
>
>
> -Ludwig
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> I think emile has a small ish boat requiring refurbishment for sale?
> ?Probably worth the cost of shipping it over the pond to not have to build
> from scratch.
>
>
> On 21 November 2016 at 13:51, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the
> East Coast.
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
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