[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 37, Issue 48

Sun Jul 17 14:48:53 EDT 2016

I find the limiting specification for a psub is how you plan to transport
your sub. The k250 and k350, and most of the members self designed subs are
meant to be trailerable. I have a ford f350 truck with a towing capacity of
~10000 pounds. Subtracting a probable trailer weight of 1000lbs, that
leaves a max sub weight of 9000lbs. In a sub cabin volume and total weight
are directly correlated, since it must be neutrally buoyant. That means
that the biggest sub practically trailerable at 9000lbs has a cabin
displacement of ~144 cubic feet (only 4 cubic meters) Or only a little
bigger than two phone booths!!! This theoretically limits most psubs to 2
passengers at the most.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Sub for 2 pexople (Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles)
   2. Re: Sub for 2 pexople
      (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles)
   3. Re: Sub for 2 pexople (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles)

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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:11:35 +0200
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Thanks for invitation probably this kind of trip is obligatory before
starting planing. Hope I will have time to make it. It will be nice to see
some technical stuff. I think that the 3 seater is more than enough for me.
I am really happy that your community are so helpful
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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:16:03 +0200 (MEST)
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Description fits 100% on Emiles - Nordicsub. vbr Carsten

-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
Datum: 2016-07-16T23:43:12+0200
Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>

And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for a
sub. I will check that.

2016-07-16 23:39 GMT+02:00 Kamil ?ebrowski <zebros512 at gmail.com
<mailto:zebros512 at gmail.com> >:
  Hi,

  Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should make
  trip like this,

  Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:
  3 person sound great,
  dive deep 200m
  seas and lakes,
  best will be undependly.
  Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble,
  maybe it will help something.

  Cheers,
  Kamil

  2016-07-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 MerlinSub at t-online.de
  <mailto:MerlinSub at t-online.de> via Personal_Submersibles <
  personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  >:
    Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe.

    There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo
    II.
    And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock.

    Before you build something in real steel maybe go Berlin - Rostock  -
    Amsterdam to get some input.

    Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else make
    not so much sence for a custom build.

    First step should be a requirement list.
    How many persons ?
    Which range in which time?
    Dive deep.
    Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all?
    Undependly orwith a support boat ?
    And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a
    cave diver.

    Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44>

    Rostock:My boats.
    One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale,
    second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft
    tanks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY>

    Near Amsterdam:  Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs>

    On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length
    and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. .

    There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g>

    Vbr Carsten Rostock.

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    Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
    Datum: 2016-07-16T14:09:38+0200
    Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <
    personal_submersibles at psubs.org
    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >
    An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
    personal_submersibles at psubs.org
    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >

    Yea, I am from Poland. Nice to know, i will contact with him. Thanks
    for info. It will be good opportiunity to check how it looks like to
    dive;)
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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:23:23 -0400
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Kamil, a visit to subs in your general area is a great idea if you can find
the time to slip away. 'Manned Submersibles' is an awesome resource as
well, kudos to you for your willingness to do research prior to starting
your first build.

Without trying to sound discouraging, I want to say that to me, the goals
you outlined in a previous email seem quite ambitious. If you have the
financial means, time/space and necessary fabrication skills, anything is
possible, but for many of us, we're on a "budget" when it comes to all of
those things, so you may find that your dream sub is not practical as a
first build. In my opinion, a K-350 would be a great project for you to
start with, then work your way to a larger sub. Just my thoughts... Doug
S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:16 AM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via
Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Description fits 100% on Emiles - Nordicsub. vbr Carsten
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
>
> Datum: 2016-07-16T23:43:12+0200
>
> Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for a
> sub. I will check that.
>
> 2016-07-16 23:39 GMT+02:00 Kamil ?ebrowski <zebros512 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should make
>> trip like this,
>>
>> Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:
>> 3 person sound great,
>> dive deep 200m
>> seas and lakes,
>> best will be undependly.
>> Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble,
>> maybe it will help something.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kamil
>>
>>
>> 2016-07-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 MerlinSub at t-online.de via
>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>:
>>
>>> Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo II.
>>>
>>> And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Before you build something in real steel maybe go Berlin - Rostock  -
>>> Amsterdam to get some input.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else make
>>> not so much sence for a custom build.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First step should be a requirement list.
>>>
>>> How many persons ?
>>>
>>> Which range in which time?
>>>
>>> Dive deep.
>>>
>>> Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all?
>>>
>>> Undependly orwith a support boat ?
>>>
>>> And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a cave
>>> diver.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rostock:My boats.
>>>
>>> One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale,
>>>
>>> second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft tanks
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Near Amsterdam:  Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length
>>>
>>> and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vbr Carsten Rostock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>>>
>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
>>>
>>> Datum: 2016-07-16T14:09:38+0200
>>>
>>> Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <
>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>
>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea, I am from Poland. Nice to know, i will contact with him. Thanks for
>>> info. It will be good opportiunity to check how it looks like to dive;)
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