[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pressure Transducer

Thu Dec 29 20:37:06 EST 2016

Hi Steve,I have the threaded section a bit longer than the blank plug Itook out of the hp port. Hopefully this will give a bit more strength.   Thanks for the heads up on the reference pressure. I can't seeany hole out the back. Once potted it should remain at 1 atm insidethe sensor. As I am wiring it to a PLC & having it display on a HMI,I will need to calibrate it with another pressure gauge, but will nowalso compare the readings with a divers contents gauge at depth. Cheers Alan

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Hi Alan,Sloppy threads (especially fine straight ones) on Chinese HP fittings are a bit scary - perhaps a good idea to stand (extremely) well clear and pressure test with an extra full tank.
Using adaptors could get things working, and may be more possible than getting your Chinese company to re make the transducers, although I vaguely recall you were against using adaptors in the first place.
I also just had a thought that if you pot them, you may need to account for the ambient pressure being higher than normal. Ie. Under normal circumstances it acts as a differential pressure sensor, relative to the (ambient) pressure on the back of sensing element. When you pot them, the reference pressure may change.
Cheers,Steve

On 30 Dec 2016 8:01 am, "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Cliff,just looked up the GL rules regarding gas penetrations & they are a bit ambiguousin this instance, as are ABS.GL section 9, B 1.2 ... Pipes which are led through the pressure hull wall are to befitted with two shut-off devices, one of which is to be located immediately at the hullwall.   You could argue that a pressure transducer shuts off the gas flow at the hullpenetration anyway. I just think that in my instance, with a small cabin, it is best tokeep the high pressure lines away from it.Alan

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Cliff,I looked at machining but they wouldn't fit in my lathe.I was specific about what I ordered and the manufacturer has gotit wrong. I have been talking with them & I'll send them back.   I am trying to keep as close as practicable to GL rules.They require a valve  at  the hull for any gas coming in to thecabin. Although there is no gas lines coming in & through the cabin,I would be pretty sure they would require a valve between the hull& the pressure transducer. With 6 tanks to monitor, this will saveon the cost of 6 valves, but more importantly will save space insidethe hull, & as these valves would need to be clustered within armsreach, that space in that area would be an important saving.Also, as I have said previously, a failed o-ring on the hull interface with high pressure air / O2 could lead to a fatal condition in a small one person submersible.Cheers Alan

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If it were me I would machine out the conical section and then machine off enough of the 10mm threaded shank until it will mate.  
Actually i would abandon this approach altogether and put the pressure transmitters inside the boat and use Swagelok fittings and ss tubing to connect to regulator.
O-ring seals are designed for high pressure.  Likelihood of leak into boat is small. Cliff

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On Dec 28, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:

Hank,yes it has a hole down the middle of the threaded fitting.I only have 10mm of thread. I could machine a few mm off the end but stillwouldn't have a flat area to squash the o-ring against. The female fitting is slightlytapered initially, & the o-ring is meant to fit in to this taper.If I put a nut on as a spacer, the internal face of the o-ring would be against the thread,& high pressure air could leak down between the thread & nut.Alan

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Alan,I assume the threaded shaft is just a means of attaching it with a hole in the middle.  If so, file it shorter,  put a nut on the tread first and the nut will fix the end of the tread when you remove it.Hank 

    On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 6:47 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:

  Just received my 6 pressure transducers from China.These were tailor made for me to fit in to the high pressure portof my first stage regulator; So rather than have high pressure air& oxygen coming through the hull wall, I just have wires.   Unfortunately it looks like they have got it wrong. They have a conicalportion at the base of the male thread that makes it impossible to sealwith an O-ring. I specified 10mm for thread & shank, but the 3mm extra on the conical portion means the flat faces of the pressure transmitter & regulator can't meet. Other than that it looks ideal for potting the wires.   Any suggestions for a fix on this, other than sending them back?I could possibly turn the conical portion down & stack washes under theo-ring. The fit was also a bit sloppy, but so was the original plug that wasin this high pressure port. Not sure if this is normal or not.See attached photos, thanks.Alan
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