[PSUBS-MAILIST] hand pump

Fri Apr 8 16:39:34 EDT 2016

Antoine,All I can say is Brilliant!  I like it!Hank 

    On Friday, April 8, 2016 1:45 PM, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Therehttps://m.facebook.com/294329844027226/photos/pb.294329844027226.-2207520000.1460144143./640699192723621/?type=3&source=42
It is drawing from low pressure piping with a three way valve from either a water bladder inside the sub or a free hose going in the bilgeOn the outlet side of the pump a tee then the isolation valve then the pressure hull. The tee is also going to the bladder with another valve there to bring water inRegardsAntoine
On Friday, April 8, 2016, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Hi hankIt is on the pilot fish project facebook page 
RegardsAntoine
On Friday, April 8, 2016, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Hi Antoine,Do you have a picture of the pump?Hank 

    On Friday, April 8, 2016 7:19 AM, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Hello i have installed on pilot fish a sarum hydraulics hand pump rated for 40 bar and with 100cc stroke, and a short and long handle depending on depth. With materials and seals fit for sea water. Not very fast and Costs over 1000 euros but very sturdy and saves lot of space and air over classical hard ballast. I could add electrical pump laterRegards Antoine 

On Friday, April 8, 2016, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Steve,Good points, I think I will make my own pump.  I can make the pump faster than a hydraulic pump by using a larger displacement  plunger but not so large that it is hard to operate.  Hank 

    On Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:36 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Hi Hank,I reckon a hydraulic bottle or lever jack is something to start with, and you'll struggle to get a hand pump that will do the sort of pressures you want (ie. most applications for air are too low pressure, for hydraulics are higher pressure, and not heaps in between).
But then the capacity of the hydraulic hand pump will be tiny and as was mentioned, it's steel.  Might still be a good starting point for freshwater use regardless, or to reverse engineer and make a stainless one.
Here's a thought experiment that may be useful:If you have 1L of water that you want to move from inside the sub (1atm) to outside (31atm at 300m water depth), that's equivalent in required energy to pulling up a 1L bucket from a 300m deep well.  That's quite a bit of manual effort just for 1L.  If it's 10L, well, screw doing that manually I say :)
Cheers,Steve
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:16 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Alan,I need full depth pressure rating so I can sink fast without thrusters then pump out some water at depth to go neutral.   I can't wast air like Gamma because I have no onboard compressor.   Hank 

    On Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:42 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Hank,why not use an electric pump used on boats & have valves to operatevarious other functions. They are reasonably small, 12V & built for marine conditions.Can't recall what psi they go up to, but saw some rated 130 psi.Cheers Alan

      From: Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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I use these at work sometimes:http://www.enerpac.com/en-us/industrial-tools/hydraulic-pumps-and-valves/hydraulic-manual-pumps-0Don't know what they cost though.Sean

On April 7, 2016 5:03:15 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
Hi All,I am looking for a hand pump to remove water from my trim tank.  It will work like a DW.  I will empty the air out of the mbt and then flood a small plastic tank inside the sub.  Any ideas?Hank
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