[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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Scott,
I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along.
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That
might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal
is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come
up.Thanks,Scott Waters
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Scott,
I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort
you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in
domes, one at each end. One end opens as the
hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70
steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K
landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.
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Scott,
Did he say where and how deep?
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An
update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in
deep
water
after a insurance claim some time
ago. Thanks,Scott
Waters
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It would surely be nice to find
Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just
for old
time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
virtually
certain that those particular hull(s) were built of
A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most
of
the
boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
without
cyrillic operating manuals).
I don't remember how thick the steel
was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff.
Plus,
the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
that
thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room
for
two
(or enough for three good friends) and that huge
picture
window in the front.
If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last
P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of
them
out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by
comparison) and I think it was a really good try.
Sadly,
it
all fell apart before we could really show her
off.
We did all the deepwater pilot training
in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball.
These
days, she'd be even better, because the
subsystems and
propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated
for
2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that
for an option,
Scott?
No fancy steel. Huge
viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
foot
sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of
uncle
Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
to
support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You
could
probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.
Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh
that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a
lightweight
compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
agile,
easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could
be
better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for
my
neck
of the woods.
Vance
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Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the
same
problems of the material and building of the
personel
sphere.
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Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal
subbers!!
Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces
subs
. .We (Nuytco) have
four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
are
in
Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii
Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of
service,
currently and may be sold
off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
because
Terry
Kerby and his crew
rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There
are
two Pisces boats in
Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
actually
,
outside a museum).
Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in
parts.
Likewise, P-6
is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
of
IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’)
and what’s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I
cut
a
deal with my old
friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely
death) to
have first dibs on
buying P-6 to go into the ‘working sub’
Hyco/Pisces
display section at our
long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
technology
museum. His sons, Lionel
and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre’s
wishes
and we will arrange
shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
better.
Would appreciate it if
you would steer clear of this one – we do plan to
rebuild
to the same condition
as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
‘Leo’ – I heard some years
ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea
what
ultimately happened to
it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be
able
to
use from the P-boats
now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be
better
off building one from
scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after
the
first thou, the spheres
get much more expensive.
Reagards
Phil
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Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
Thanks,
Scott Waters
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International Underwater
Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one
of
THE
deep diving
construction companies in the world. No idea
what's
happened up there in the
last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
He
knew/knows all those
guys.
Vance
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Vance,
Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
probably know this. Haha.
I figure it's worth at least trying.
Thanks,
Scott Waters
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Anything is possible, Scott.
SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an
opportunity.
Or at least they'll
try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I
don't think they'll respect
anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
laying
around. I've never asked.
You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are
salvageable.
There are four pressure
vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an
aft
floatation sphere, and the
two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under
the
fiberglas brow that makes the P
boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten
to
twelve
tons, depending.
Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
for
load capability. The
P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was
fabricated in Jacques
Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and
was
lap finished, as I
understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing,
P-VI. I
remember her well.
Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
out into
a dumpster. That might
be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero
contacts up that way
anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a
wrench for
you anytime on one of
those.
Vance
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Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was
hopeing
to locate one and
maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather
than
try to build a 1000m
boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be
awesome.
Thanks,
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P-I Scrapped out by
Vickers
P-II Rumored
to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)
P-III ?
P-IV In Hawaii and
in service (but stony broke, I hear)
P-V
Ditto
P-VI
IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted
out
P-VII In a Russian
museum (Sevastopol, I think)
P-VIII
Nuytco
P-IX
Design
study for Intersub (4K
meters, never built)
P-X Nuytco
P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
doors, last I
saw)
Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces
style rated to 2000'
which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only
Hyco
boats
that I qualified on
and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a
good
one for me or the
owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V
overhaul in Houston, but
I'm not sure that counts except for the busted
knuckles.
I think the boys at Silvercrest might
have one of the question
marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
leaves
one unaccounted for. I'm
betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side
note,
if
you look at the
Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are
Pisces
boats on steroids.
Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and
operated P-VII and P-XII
for years after that, then took all those dandy
ideas,
added
a pile of rubles,
and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir
1
& Mir 2, by name.
The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but
maintenance heavy. And rest
assured, you haven't really lived until you have
pulled
a Pisces battery box at
sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
Vance
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Scott,
Hawaii
undersea research lab on Oahu has two
subs.
One I know
is a Pisces & I believe the
other is also.
I think
David Columbo has seen them in the
last year,
he might
confirm.
They told me they were losing
funding for operating them
as Govt considered rovs were
better value for money.
Alan
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Does
anyone know what happened to all
the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built,
but
only one or two that
are still in operation. I think NOAA has one.
Thanks,
Scott
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