[PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled steel

Wed Jun 18 22:06:17 EDT 2014

Scott,

I sent you an email off list. Not sure if you received it or if you changed
your email ( sent to email with @waters-ks.com).

Might be beneficial to respond to the listserv as to what specific
engineering design services you are looking for (drafting, FEA, electrical,
controls, mass calculations, buoyancy calculations, etc).

-Chris
On Jun 18, 2014 8:13 PM, "swaters via Personal_Submersibles" <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Douglas,
> I will take all the help I can get. I have a feeling with a sub this
> difficult I will be asking for tons of help from alot of members.
> Thank you,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>
> Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> I'm so pleased to hear that your business is booming Scott. Keep that iron
> hot, heavy and in the fire of America. As to your sub, I am very interested
> and hope you'll keep me posted. Perhaps we could work together? I am quite
> interested in diving deeper and feel there is a deep-diving vessel in my
> future as well. I am planning to go out and see what is going on at
> Sea-Magine one of these days. ~ Douglas S.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:19 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>> The reason I bought Gamma was not because I couldn't build a sub, I
>> bought it because I can not design a sub.  I paid for the engineering and
>> got a sub with it.
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>    On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:20:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>> Nice to know someone who has friends at the bank.
>> Vance
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: swaters via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 18, 2014 7:10 pm
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled steel
>>
>>  Dan,
>> On my first sub I spent about 2 years researching and learning before I
>> ever pulled the trigger on starting a build on the K-350. My plan is
>> similar on my next build for a deep diving sub which is to research untill
>> I am 100% comfortable. I would like to start with a good design and
>> finished prints and then take them to the engineer for reveiw. Enginers
>> charge by the hour and are very expensive. I do this the same way when I am
>> building my 40,000 square foot multi-million dollar stores where I have
>> finished blue prints and store design done before I ever take it to the
>> architect and my last store costs me $22,000 in architect fees. The first
>> new store designI had done was $65,000. Hopefully that lays some insite in
>> what I am doing. I am not going to be building something that is unsafe
>> with unknown factors made from metal from a scrap yard and I am ok spending
>> years researching and planning before I ever order the first part. I do
>> apriciate you making sure I am being safe because I know there are lots of
>> psubbers in the past who have not been.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>
>> "Dan H. via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> Please don't take this in negative way, and understand that we have never
>> meet.  I don't know your skills, the skills of your wife, or your end
>> expectations.  I congratulate you on recognizing that you're not a good
>> engineer, if in fact you aren't.  Maybe you're even better then you think
>> you are. I don't know.
>>
>> Don't underestimate the planning and work that goes into in a sub.
>>  Building any sub is a big undertaking, much less one for more then a few
>> hundred feet of depth.  Most of all, don't look for cheap engineering.  You
>> most likely won't get what you don't pay for.  If you're looking for cheap
>> engineering help the BEST you're going to get is CHEAP engineering.  That
>> may be ok with a go cart, but not with a sub.
>>
>> Unless you're confident enough in your own engineering skills to do your
>> own design or even alter a pre-engineered design, you really should have a
>> certified engineer do the work.  Basically it means you're getting
>> something the engineer is willing to stake his reputation on.  That SHOULD
>> be good enough to put your life in.  You still may be playing with matches,
>> but anything less, and your playing with fire.
>>
>> It's a lot of work and thousands of man hours building a sub.  There are
>> plenty of other places to make mistakes in a build, and plenty other ways
>> to get hurt in a sub.  If you're going to build, don't start out hoping
>> you're doing it safe.  Either have it properly engineered or build a design
>> that has been.  That's why so many take the less expensive and safe way
>> of building a K sub.  The engineering has been properly done and it's stood
>> the test of time.  Granted, it's engineered to older standards, but even
>> that's far better then cheap engineering.
>>
>> Even refurbishing a sub isn't a small task if there are structural issues.
>>
>> Just my thoughts on the matter,
>> Dan H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* swaters via Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:35 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled steel
>>
>>  For the K-250 that I was looking at buying I believe it would be
>> cheaper to build new rather than restore. Katy was looking for a sub to
>> restore that wouldn't be extremely expensive. If the right oprotunity comes
>> up she'll do it, otherwise she'll build a go cart and help me with my next
>> project of a deep diving sub.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>
>> Mark via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>>  What made you change your mind on the K-250 project?  Are you looking
>> at designing your own sub?
>>
>>  Thanks again for providing a quote for the rolled steel.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  Mark Widman
>> Director, GDSN & Data Quality
>> GS1 Global, USA
>> mark.widman at gs1.org
>> 910-638-5229
>>
>>  Sent from iPhone.
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:12 AM, swaters via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>   Huge,
>> I was just going off of what the blue prints said for a idea of what that
>> would cost and several members on psubs asked for me to share the quote. I
>> don't believe I will be doing the K-250 project anyway.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>
>> Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>>  Go with 3/8” thick it doesn’t buckle as much as ¼”
>> The guys who welded my 5/16” said that it would have been half the time
>> with 3/8”.  That is why ABS says minimum 3/8” I believe.
>>  Best,  Hugh
>>   *From:* Personal_Submersibles [
>> mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org
>> <personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org>] *On Behalf Of *swaters via
>> Personal_Submersibles
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 June 2014 3:22 p.m.
>> *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled steel
>>   Hey guys,
>>  I got a quote back from Arntzen on a K-250 hull.
>>  The quote is to roll, tack seam, and reroll to round. 36"diameter and
>> 48" long of 1/4" ASME 516 gr 70.
>>  They will do it for $575 and a 2 week lead time.
>>  Thanks,
>>  Scott Waters
>>         Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>
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