[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

Wed Apr 9 13:28:00 EDT 2014

Still cheap..

may calculate the acrylic first. Will be the biggest single price item.

And not worry about the cost. If you later have to double the figures..
so what.. 

I calculate 6 years and need 12.  But it match the cost figure per year
- was exact double the money as expected..

The last offer I saw for a commercial 1000m for two was over 1 Million
and that was 20 years ago..

If you planing that long 7 years you cn start to collect useful hadware
just now. 
A CO2 meter for 50 bucks here , 20 highpressure vale in good condition
cheap there. 

About the pressure tank: They are nearly free of cost and huge: Atlantic
ocean, Pacific ocean.. just the money to tow the boat out. 

vbr Carsten

<JimToddPsub at aol.com> schrieb: 
That $125,000 figure is now about $170,000 in today's dollars.
Jim

In a message dated 4/9/2014 7:46:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca writes:
You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and what Scott
wants to build.  The two subs are totally different.  I could see
building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you have your own  pressure
vessel fab shop.  (maybe)  Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that
cost.  
I do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can not
build a k3000.  As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic
assessment of your abilities we can all do it.  
Hank
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 AM, James Frankland
<jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:

Scott,
Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something, somewhere,
your ok.  Join a local tiddlywinks class or something.

http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional

This is not too difficult to use.
Regards
James

On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built
my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I
hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I
did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and
4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add
more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000. 
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way.  Not if it is a professional
build, and it has to be.  If you do it right you can spend that to do
1,000 feet.  
Hank
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr
<spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:

Wow! $125K for 2500  3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom
value! 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:

He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
wrote:

Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am
sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to
$35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests
(and perform them).  

I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be
a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I
would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is
then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent
building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure? 
Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my
head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing
CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce
ideas off of? 
I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall
psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like
sonar and manipulator arms and things.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:

Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research).
Vance

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea?
Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi
capability?
Thanks,
Scott Waters

Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

Scott,
in general people design their boats with a crush depth of
twice their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x
there proposed maximum operating depth.
So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.
Alan

From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I
am thinking.
1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of
difficulty as it was to build my first submarine
2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs
to be improved on in design and ability.
3) Learn to use CAD 
4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete

My initial goals are
1) Hold 3 people
2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less
3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)
4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator
arm and tooling
5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front

Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to
overcome? What complications am I not considering?

Thanks,
Scott Waters

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