[PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification

[Alan]

Thanks everyone for those figures on classification costs.
The patent topic stemmed from a joke of Jon's, however
I still feel that if someone patented an idea that came out of a
public forum, that that patent could be challenged on the grounds of  prior
art work.
Prior art (also known as state of the art, which also has other meanings, or background art[1]), in most systems of patent law,[2] constitutes all information that has been made available to the public in any form before a given date that might be relevant to a patent's claims of originality. If an invention has been described in the prior art, a patent on that invention is not valid.
Also http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2128.html
Electronic media & prior art.
    Back to the Classification; Phil gave a good summary of what is required in the form of 
documentation to be supplied to the classification agency after going in to contract with them
& prior to the build.  It is outlined in section 2E in the GL classification guide lines.
It is HUGE & includes documentation & drawings for the whole system, a manual for maintain acne & operation etc etc.
Alan
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On 20/11/2013, at 3:52 PM, "Phil Nuytten" <phil at philnuytten.com> wrote:

> Alan
> RE: cost of sub certification - If you do all the test documentation, plan approval docs, FEA’s, Von Mises, construction drawings, electronic schematics, piping diagrams and sub-system drawings, yourself – figure about $50,000.
> Phil
> BTW, putting a patentable idea out in the ‘public domain’ most certainly doesn’t safeguard against anyone copying it – in fact, it may well be the exact opposite! ‘Public Disclosure’ may well prohibit the ability to engage the patent  process, period. (Not trying to chuck cold water, but check the US patent act and that’s what you’ll find . . . if you intend to disclose prior to patenting, then at least apply for a ‘Provisional Patent’ – dirt  cheap, and protects you for 12 months or so )
> From: Alan James
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>  
> Hi Jon,
> someone may have more knowledge on this but I think that
> because you have put your idea out in the public domain
> it may be regarded as "prior art work" safe guarding you against
> anybody patenting your idea.
> Can anybody have a guess at what classification for a boat similar
> to a K350 would cost in fees to an agency, aside from all the additional
> costs in getting together all the documentation etc.
> Alan
>  
> From: Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>  
> 
> And nobody better steal my idea until I patent it.
> 
> On 11/26/2013 2:26 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de wrote:
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure a electric driven MBT valve based on a handheld drilling machine motor will be not accept as equal solution. 
> 
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