[PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification

[Douglas Suhr]

Joe, I am looking through my email now and it seems that you responded to
my question a couple of minutes before I asked! Stranger still, I used the
term "average joe submersible builder" but I assure you I wasn't referring
to you specifically! I suppose I should read mail that I receive while
composing a message before I send that message out. Anyway...

In the situation we have described (i.e. for a recreational submersible) it
seems that, as you say, the only thing to be gained through certification
is piece of mind. Are there any other benefits that certification offers to
recreational submersibles? ~ Douglas S.




On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have a question. Assuming I am building a single (as in, quantity: 1)
> submersible that I don't plan to sell or give to anyone else, what is the
> big advantage/motivation to having my sub classed by any of these
> organizations (excluding the prestige)? That's a lot of money to throw at a
> certificate or whatever (that could be used to build a submarine!).
>
> If you plan to carry passengers for hire and need insurance, or are trying
> to procure commercial work of any sort, I understand completly. But for the
> average joe submersible builder, what's the big draw? ~ Douglas S.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jim Todd <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The public use has to do with trademarks and some copyrights.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Phil Nuytten" <phil at philnuytten.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Alan
>> RE: cost of sub certification - If you do all the test documentation,
>> plan approval docs, FEA’s, Von Mises, construction drawings, electronic
>> schematics, piping diagrams and sub-system drawings, yourself – figure
>> about $50,000.
>>  Phil
>> BTW, putting a patentable idea out in the ‘public domain’ most certainly
>> doesn’t safeguard against anyone copying it – in fact, it may well be the
>> exact opposite! ‘Public Disclosure’ may well prohibit the ability to engage
>> the patent  process, period. (Not trying to chuck cold water, but check the
>> US patent act and that’s what you’ll find . . . if you intend to disclose
>> prior to patenting, then at least apply for a ‘Provisional Patent’ – dirt
>> cheap, and protects you for 12 months or so )
>>  *From:* Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:04 PM
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>>
>>  Hi Jon,
>> someone may have more knowledge on this but I think that
>> because you have put your idea out in the public domain
>> it may be regarded as "prior art work" safe guarding you against
>> anybody patenting your idea.
>> Can anybody have a guess at what classification for a boat similar
>> to a K350 would cost in fees to an agency, aside from all the additional
>> costs in getting together all the documentation etc.
>> Alan
>>
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>> *From:* Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>>
>>
>> And nobody better steal my idea until I patent it.
>>
>> On 11/26/2013 2:26 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am pretty sure a electric driven MBT valve based on a handheld drilling
>> machine motor will be not accept as equal solution.
>>
>>
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