[PSUBS-MAILIST] Printed Kort Nozzle

Tue Nov 12 13:51:26 EST 2013

Hi Jim / Brian,
This is under the subject of "printed kort nozzle".
Are you guys suggesting a kort nozzle type attachment as a splash guard?
Alan

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On 13/11/2013, at 7:02 AM, Jim Todd <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

> Brian,
> You didn't mention what pressure was used in the experiment. It might be hard to come up with empirical data, but there's plenty of anecdotal evidence from my generation on the variability.  After all these years I'm still trying to perfect technique. 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:46 AM, "brian" <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if this could help with design of 3-D printed Kort nozzel:
>> 
>> Enter the Splash Lab at Brigham Young University, where researchers are trying to figure out how to prevent urinal splash-back. Fluid dynamics scientist Randy Hurd and his graduate adviser, Tadd Truscott, created a model of the male urethra on a 3-D printer — a cylinder measuring 0.31 inches by 0.12 inches (8 millimeters by 3 millimeters). The urethra was attached to a pressurized container with tubing. The team sent a steady stream of dyed water through the tubing at a urine flow rate equivalent to that of a middle-age man, or about 0.7 ounces per second (21 milliliters per second). 
>> 
>> couldn't resist
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> Sent 11/12/2013 5:27:18 AM
>> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Printed Kort Nozzle
>> 
>> Alan,
>> How about take the printed mould and make it smaller, then use it to make a rubber mould.  Then you can make as many pieces as the mold can handle.   Unless you have lots of space you will have trouble with thick mixes.
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:43:53 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Looks good Hank,
>> has only 0.01 shrinkage. So if shrinkage were an issue it may be an option.
>> You could probably mix glass fiber with it to strengthen it.
>> Here is an epoxy product that is not quite half the price & has the fiber mixed in it.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EPOXY-RESIN-VERY-HARD-CASTING-RESIN-LIQUID-FIBERGLASS-/310112944078?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48342bffce
>> It is a gel like consistency so may not suit every application. Has 0.1 shrinkage.
>> Again if I just use the resin + glass fiber, I can mix to my desired consistency.
>> Another thought that came to mind was to pour a mold release in to the printed shell
>> & drain it out so as to leave a film on the inside. Then pour in the resin & peel off the
>> printed outside when set. This would leave a fiberglass product that could be attached with 
>> epoxy to other structures.
>> Alan
>> 
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>> Sent: 
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Printed Kort Nozzle
>> 
>> Alan,
>> look at liquid plastic on e bay.  It is cheap and there is one brand that cures at 180 degrees f.  This is polyurethane casting resin.  Nice stuff but maybe not for kort nozzles.  
>> Hank 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 6:03:27 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi Hank,
>> I'm not familiar with liquid plastic.
>> I use the West systems epoxy, where you have your epoxy & hardener & throw
>> In the other additives that give it various properties, like hardness. 
>> The glass fibre will give it a lot of structural strength & I can mix it in as thick or
>> as thin as I want depending on the section thickness / complexity of the form I want to fill.
>> Also price wise, mixing seems a lot cheaper than off the shelf pre-mixed items.
>> Alan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 12/11/2013, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> this may be a dumb question,,, why not use liquid plastic.  The stuff I use is strong and shrinks almost nothing.  It also does not generate heat when curing.  This stuff is the harness of a hockey puck.
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:26:33 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> To interested parties,
>>> I spoke with a 3d printing expert, Richard, regarding filling hollow sections of 3d printed items with
>>> fiber reinforced resin. He hadn't heard of it, but thought it had a lot of potential.
>>> He suggested watching out for heat generated in the exothermic reaction, as we had already
>>> discussed, and printing a roughened interior surface as a key for the epoxy, to stop the exterior 
>>> delaminating.
>>> I also spoke to an epoxy tech who told me epoxy only shrinks about 1/2% & with additives such as
>>> milled fiber the percentile shrinkage of the whole will decrease proportionate to the additive.
>>> So shrinkage may not be a major problem.
>>> Will do some experimenting.
>>> Alan
>>> 
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